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  1. On 3/9/2023 at 3:22 PM, holytiger said:

    I have heard both o/96 and fleetwood deville. 

    If I have to compare the sound of the o/96 to your soul supreme, I would say that the Zu has a faster transient response than the o/96. Zu has bit more energy in the upper midrange. o/96 has more dynamics, more bass quantity and better quality bass. o/96 has wider sound stage than the Zu. Has that Oomph factor. Has a smoother treble and upper midrange and feels like overall more balanced across the whole frequency region. Both have quite large image size. o/96 needs bigger room to breathe and harder to set up properly than the Zu. 

    Fleetwood Deville is a sweet sounding speaker, it has a more polite and gentle sound compare to the Zu, but has a wider sound stage. It lacks dynamics and bass compare to the o/96 but it has little more bass quantity than the Zu soul. It sounds lively but not as much as the Zu. This speaker is easier to place and set up compare to the o/96. o/96 needs quite a room to breathe and needs lot of distance between the front and the back wall + quite a bit of listening distance but Deville is more room friendly if you have a smaller space. You can listen for a long periods of time without a listening fatigue as it does not emphasize on the upper midrange compare to the Zu or even the o/96. Deville is the hardest speaker to drive compare to o/96 or the Zu because with either, you can pair it with single ended low watt tube amps but not the Deville. But it is still relatively easy speaker to drive compare to most speakers on the market. They will be fine with push pull tube amps.

    I have not heard the o/baby but heard the o/93. If you have any questions your welcome.

    I actually don't feel the Zu to be that fast honestly, I'm not sure if its the duelund capacitor upgrade that it has, but I found all the klipsch Heritage line and Devore to be way faster and snappy. What makes me want to upgrade from the Zu is specially the Midrange which is honestly lacking.. not big or meaty, kinda ghostly and..that super tweeter is super fatiguing. 

    How does the O/93 compare with O/96, exactly same type of sound but less bass ? I like to listen not too far away from the speakers, it gives me more imersion and better detail preception, maybe an habit from many years of listening to headphones. Devore doesnt sound good if I would sit like 2.5-3m away?

    On 3/9/2023 at 7:47 PM, Jon L said:

    Why does Devore O/96 sell for $16K when it's a copy of the Audio Note copy (some say pirated without paying license) of Snell type E/III?  

    Well I actually heard to the audionotes in the same session as the Devore, and honestly the sound is very different. The dealer said sound is similar but not really.. Devore is way more musical , more richer tone, snappier and romantic.

    On 3/9/2023 at 8:38 PM, swt61 said:

    The Fleetwood Deville is garnering some really good press, and the SQ version even more so. 

    They're on my list to audition at some point. Very attractive as well.

    Yeah not gonna lie they are very wood inducing. Love the looks.

    On 3/9/2023 at 11:45 PM, holytiger said:

    One should listen before judging the price tag. Apparently Audio Note An-E are more expensive than the current o/96 and I have heard a full audio note system. The o/96 are better value in terms of the sound. o/96 have better dynamics, better bass, wider stage and more life like image size. But I can see some people going for the audionote an-e if they have a limited room and can only place the speakers close to the walls. AN-e sound pretty good overall and very unique in a sense that they can sound still good while put in to a corner of the room. Tone is very natural and yet more polite sounding than the Devore.

    Yeah will have to agree.

    On 3/10/2023 at 2:32 AM, Pars said:

    Those all would appear to be hideously priced, and I for one am not digging the vibe. It seems that companies are just charging whatever the fuck they think they can. Good luck to them. I'll stick with my Von Schweikerts. Might have a look at the new Schitt power amps however...

    Yeah.. this is very true.. To add to this, I heard the Qacoustics concept 50 last week with a good VTL front end, probably more expensive than the 2k Qacoustics, and I must say I got a slap in the face.. honestly it kinda did everything right.. from detail to soundstage width and depth and big meaty mids , only the bass was a bit Boxy at higher vol. Still better technicalities than Deville.

    For this reason I'm still looking for what's there, and trying weirder brands but the devore has something very special that is trying to bypass my brain.

  2. My last thread here was about the Zus which I ended up buying used, the Soul Supreme, for a nice deal and I'm ready to move up the game.. Enter the Devore.

    I have been on a killing spree listening to speakers to find my next purchase and so far the only ones I liked were the Devore O/96 and Fleetwood Deville.


    So.. I'm curious if any of you guys heard the O/96 and O/baby ?

    The O/baby really is way cheaper than the O/96 that I loved but the store here doesn't carry them.. given that the O/baby has same new tweeter as their more expensive Reference and same woofer as the O/96 but smaller cabinet, maybe they could represent even a step up in sound or similar one.

    Also if you guys think I should try some other speaker brand shoot me.





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  3. I got to listen the "China Dac" Spring 3 KTE, this one has really black background and bucket loads of decay, and very good micro detail, it's impressive. Negative thing is, it can sound too soft and not very engaging. Yggy is the antithesis with its fun sound but at an lower technical capability.

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  4. 8 hours ago, Torpedo said:

    Why did it impress you, what made it outstanding?

    It was mostly the micro details, micro dynamics,coherance with busy passages and tone. I remember specially on the track James Blake - The Willhelm Scream, to be really surprised by the way it rendered all those small details popping, the separation, depth and keeping track of everything so well.

    With the terminator really didn't get the hype, though it was too soft without the same lvl of microdynamics and digging low level detail as the Yggy.  The second best was the La voce, really really open soundstage but felt less detailed, still very enjoyable.

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  5. I have been in a frenzy recently listening to the "new" bestest dacs to upgrade Spring 2/RME.

    I heard the Denafrips Terminator I, Yggy A1, Hugo TT2 and Aqua La Voce V3. I listened them all with KGSSHV+007.

    This was not a perfect testing as I only had about 1 hour or less with each. The one that impressed me more was the Yggy A1.

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  6. @Playmusic

    I don't get it.

    If you are afraid you are choosing an costlier amp just because it has higher SPL, then just lower the volume on more expensive one and if you think the less expensive amp now sounds better, then your wallet thanks you. 

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  7. 26 minutes ago, Torpedo said:

    Stay away from Leben, just sayin'. Did you go up to Spain to listen to those?

    Why, build quality? 

    It was in portugal, but funny enough those Soul Supreme are going to Spain for an audition I was told.

  8. 3 hours ago, jp11801 said:

    love the concept of Zu to sold on the endpoint of the Zu speakers. Not great all arounders, I had the soul superfly and great that it worked with my 300b amp but it really did impose its sound on the music


    anyone in Europe should check out System Audio or Amphion as a better value and more accurate sound. SA is more pleasing sounding Amphion in more studio monitor like 

    Thanks for the suggestion I will check them out.

    16 hours ago, morphsci said:

    Good choice. My short list for my next set of speakers includes the Zu Omen Def, and it is near the top.

    Today I went to a store that Had the Zu Omen DefII and oh yes.. do they rock.. they obviously sound bigger,  the only problem is their "wife acceptance factor", it is not so good, being much bigger than the others and they use the same drivers of the Omen and DIrty weekend so sound shouldn't be that different, from memory they aren't. Did you hear other models ?

    I also listened to the Soul Supreme, and damn.. this is a big step up from all the other models. The detail is amazing but still keeping that emotional engagement, the plates/drums hit so hard and poor recordings were still very enjoyable. They just push your focus entirely to the small details without any effort, the Def II, Omen and Dirty Weekend were a more of relaxed listening kind of sound compared to the Supreme, that is.

    Honestly I am not sure if such detailed focused sound doesn't get tiring after some hours, if I had the money I could see having one of the other models when feeling for a more relaxed session to complement the hyper detailed Supreme.

    I listened them with Leben 300 Tube Amp and RME Dac-2 FS.

    21 hours ago, swt61 said:

    The Zu is a kickback IMO. It's reminiscent of popular speakers of the 70's. If you like that 'in your face' presentation, then you might also like vintage Cerwin Vega, JBL, Panasonic Thrusters etc...

    Albeit the Zu is a jump in quality over the aforementioned brands. Still, you can get pretty close for a fraction of the price of the Zu's. Not sure where you're going to find a grouping of those vintage brands to audition though.


    hmm I will look into classifieds.

  9. After years of only Headphone listening, I'm finally jumping on the speaker party.

    Coming from the headphone hi.end I must say it has been pretty disappointing on the performance side with speakers..Most need to get the volume up to lvls where it gets shouty or annoying to get some kinda engaging sound and most just sound thin.. specially if music is not perfect jazz records, some get crazy details but again, music is nowhere engaging. 

    Enter the Zu's, I heard the Zu Omen Dirty Weekend II on the dealer(have never heard of them) and loved the sound, totally different from most known brands, this speakers can truly rock. They have such a dynamic and forward sound, the mid range is a bit in your face. All this without sounding too aggressive or bright, paired with an Hegel. Also heard them with the Leben tube amp and the system just turned to a very sweet tone while still keeping all that force.

    Very engaging speaker, it kinda reminds me the type of sound of the HP1000 which is my favorite headphone for the kind of music I listen mostly, rock and metal. Now I'm curious about the higher models, unfortunately the dealer has no stock and is only ordering after purchase. 

    So I'm wondering if any of you have any experience with this brand models, or know other speakers with this kind of sound?


    btw, to my taste they look rather beautiful specially for such entry price:


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  10. 16 minutes ago, billqs said:

    What were they running the 007's out of? Perhaps the difference might be down to the chain of hardware running it? Just a thought.

    One of the new ss amps, att home i used with an kgss and kgsshv carbon so I dont think thats it.

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  11. I went to a dealer looking for speakers and I ended up hearing the 007 they had on demo just while I was waiting for my turn. To my surprise I really enjoyed the sound and sounded different than the 007s MK1 and mk2 I had.

    To my ears the 007 has been always boring and the sound too soft/in the back, but this one was forward but still smooth, I enjoyed it. 

    It was a silver one recently ordered from Japan and the serial number SZ2, wasn't suppose the new ones to be SZ3 ?

    Has stax upgraded the 007?

  12. 15 hours ago, gepardcv said:

    In the world of universal IEMs, the Campfire Audio Andromeda is pretty terrific. Everything else CA makes seems to have had problems. CA has a custom, too, and has the advantage of being one of the very few CIEMs with MMCX connectors. I don't know how it sounds.

    I never heard an HiEnd universal so I'm curious if you though the campfire could get near the Custom JH13. Going universal with be less hassle with the ear molds thing.

  13. Decided finally to get some iems but I have been out of the loop for some time, so not sure if JH13/16 are still the thing to get or there's new king in town.

    You guys know what's up or just settled with the JH and never looked back ?

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  14. 1 hour ago, spritzer said:

    Hard to say, serial numbers with the O2's mean nothing... 

    So one has to be spritzer and have followed all the changes for years to tell if it's the last version or just know if was built after 2015, that's it? 

  15. On 2/28/2019 at 12:16 AM, Hi-Fi-Anatomia said:

    So I had the 009S for a bit but I went and got the modern 007A instead, wow.... 

    What is the serial number, from what I understand the one to get now a days is the sz3? 

  16. @MASantos Well this dealer its actually one person show as it was the stax dealer before him who actually used his house to show the gear. When the price difference is about 1k or more..

    Also there are more stores selling it much cheaper on europe who also pay employees, but I understand where u are coming from.

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  17. @Torpedo Yeah always learning. That's exactly how he works.. asked to listen L-700, told me it was too expensive to ask one just to listen unless he needed to make a big order and that could take months, even a year.. also if I were to purchase it I  would need the 50% deposit.. and wait.. to arrive

    This dealer crys that so few people buy stax products but like you said they seem to forget we are in European Union and the market its now global,  people will look before buying, no wonder they won't sell with those prices and this kind of service.

    Rant off..


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