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I would probably skip the feedback and cathode Rs (which reduce gain and increase rp), and use a lower mu, lower rp tube like a 12AT7. If you do want to stick with the 12AX7 and nfb, they really do benefit from a plate load several times greater than rp, which shouldn't be too hard to pull off with an lnd150-based gyrator.
The DN2540 only really shines at quiescent currents above 10mA or so. Something like a BSS126/DN2540 cascode or LND150 cascode may be better for the tail of the LTP, but note that the LND150 usually cuts off around 700uA if you try to cascode it.
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I'm not sure the feedback works there; the two outputs are summed through R22 and R23 and terminate to a common-mode node. But the two stages are cap-coupled, so common-mode feedback won't do much. Perhaps add some resistance between the two cathodes? Or connect the feedback resistor to the plates rather than cathodes for some trendy schade feedback?What's C2 for?
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Don't do it Brent!
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Mouser's finest!
I'm not sure about the hfe grade as I can't find the receipt. The package says FCE. FCE is not an hfe grade, but E is the highest and sounds like something I would buy.
Shoot me a PM if you'd like.
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I think I have about 100 of each (ksa992/c1845) that I'll never use if anyone needs. Can check tonight.
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On 10/20/2017 at 4:14 PM, dsavitsk said:
the awful 6080
If you are lucky, it gets a little bit better if you literally reverse the polarity, input to the plate, and take the output off the grid.
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@cetoole was visiting, so we made a slightly absurd amp using parts from the bin.
I had originally milled the chassis with the intention of building a 6E5P triode -> 4P1L triode SE; then realized that would be a bit awkward, since the 6E5P is rated for higher dissipation than the 4P1L. I may have also forgotten that 4P1L filaments need power supplies when I bought my power transformer, too, so that was a non-starter.
Not wanting to leave two unused holes in the panel, the obvious solution was to throw some 0C3s in.
Glow tubes are pretty; it follows that any amp that uses them will sound better than one that does not. A normal person might be tempted to string them in series and use them as a reference for a regulator. Instead, each channel gets its own shunt regulator with a voltage reference made up of a zener stacked on top of the glow tube, and a SiC shunt device. R7 ensures that the tube strikes.
And the current source (which is nothing inspired)
The regulator terminates into the cathode rather than ground, keeping the cathode regulator out of the output current loop. It also forces the PNP to run at constant current regardless of cathode current, meaning its impedance will also be constant.
It sounds like a single ended triode (i.e. terrible). But it was an awfully fun build. Slightly tempted to parafeed or otherwise upgrade the iron. It's surprisingly silent when nothing is playing.
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No access to Spice right now but I've had great luck with this circuit and a variation using two PNPs and two DMOSs.
If base current starves the zener, use a Darlington or replace the LND150 with a BSS126 or BSP135,
I think the reason why the DMOS circuit is so good is that it does not have a bias string that runs parallel to the CCS. The way it's cascoded also holds the lower device's Vce or Vds constant rather than holding Vbc constant, as most PNP cascodes do. Using a BJT as the lower device almost always results in more transconductance, and thus higher impedance.
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On 5/6/2017 at 4:08 AM, JoaMat said:
Seems Birgir is right about noise. I tested it with a scope. As expected the output from the converter is ugly. It’s better after the LT3045 but there is too much noise passing through.
What kind of noise? I've had good luck filtering switchers with a CLC with -3db a decade below fosc (so ~10khz), to pick up where the regulator starts to drop off. Gives values in the low mH and uF range.
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It's going into a Parasound D/AC 1600. It's still a work in progress-- I needed to replace the DAC power supplies because the stock ones were remarkably derpy. Pulling the I/V stage causes the regulator output voltage to go up. I put in some shunt regs and ripped out approximately a million bypass caps that were to far from the load to do anything.
I don't like GICs/FDNRs. That's what the Parasound had. The big problem I see is that the op amps don't have sufficient gain at frequencies that we care about (352.8KHz and multiples) to actually work. The PCM1702 specs this fellow, which has just 30dB of gain that rolls off very quickly at 300KHz+. Not only is the impedance driving the shunt op amps going to be sort of high, it will also change with frequency.
I like Sallen-Key filters because they can be built around an emitter/source follower. Those are much more dependable. By cascading it with an RC pole, you can build a third order filter with just a current sink and a BJT as active devices, and it seems to work well into the lower MHz without doing anything weird.
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It's my own, but very similar to @cetoole's. It's a folded cascode, with differential filtering and a discrete Sallen-Key filter. Trimmers instead of an op amp servo, and a nickel sandwich on the output.
Using some nice TO220 parts that let me bias it very hot.
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For my Parasound. Getting it to bias was like resistor sudoku.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but the Pass(ish) I/V stages seem a bit silly. The input impedance of a JFET is always going to be higher than that of a BJT past a few mA, because its transconductance is lower. The matched JFETs are necessary for input offset, but a JFET running at IDSS makes a lousy current source. Just about all of them use at least one output coupling cap, if not two.
If you haven't come across it already, highly recommend checking out the Hawksford paper on I/V stages.
I would try running a common base BJT very hot, without feedback.
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Just popped it into a Spice. I don't have models for the output devices, so used BC337/327s everywhere (they would blow up, but Spice doesn't care.
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Bandwidth doesn't look too hot, even with the outputs unloaded. May have made a mistake, but the input stage looks like it's starved for current? Replacing the emitter degen Rs with 1k and bumping the ouput stage Rs accordingly (~3k) helps a lot.
Not sure how to attach the .asc, here are some screenshots.
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1 hour ago, sorenb said:
shouldn't the current I(R14) or is it I(R34) and I(20) be added to the current requirement?
Absolutely. Those are feedback resistors, and they eat up a whole 1.5mA each during peaks (~400V / 250k), independant. This may be more academic than anything else for reasons Jim brought up; there's really not a whole lot going on at 20kHz, and little reason to push the output to full swing.
At the risk of being lynched, I took them out and run it open loop...
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Is that the FR of with different amounts of feedback? If you keep feedback constant, I think it just clips, rather than rolls off gracefully.
Here's a sim of an ES-X sort of deal. I stepped the source amplitude at 100mV, 1V, and 10V (some people have silly DACs). The EL34 (6CA7 in sim) is at 6mA and rails are +/- 400V, 120pF load. Happy to try different parameters.
FR does not seem to change in the magical ideal world of Spice?
Of course, the current requirement into the load increases with frequency and signal level. The blue line crosses at 10mA, and shows the frequency at which current limiting would occur for different amounts of voltage swing.
However, output distortion gets gross well before clipping.
At 1 kHz: http://imgur.com/vJAiMyW
This shows clipping into the rails.And at 10 kHz: http://imgur.com/u1sD8ze Waveforms: http://imgur.com/UYLhk9W
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24 minutes ago, kevin gilmore said:
The eddie current tube amp pictured above is a push pull amplifier with 2 output tubes per channel.
Parallel SE, they say. Balanced in with an input transformer, single ended gain stage, interstage transformer, parallel single ended output stage, floating secondary for "balanced" output.
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A shunt regulated power supply, with some daughterboards replacing the crappy voltage references I was using in the CCS.
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I think they're web-only, buy Satodenki had some last time I checked.
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17 hours ago, kevin gilmore said:
Nope, chokes are too big.
current regulated supply far superior.
These aren't mutually exclusive.
I've used a choke input power supply into a shunt regulator for a dynamic HP amp to good effect. Excessive, but hopefully not inferior. Jim, aren't you doing the same for your SR-X? With a properly sized choke, you can get away with smaller power transformer and b+ caps.
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Oh hey there gorgeous
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Just another datapoint. I picked up a Metcal PS-800 about a year ago when they were selling refurbished units at a discount, and haven't enjoyed using it as much as the Hakko 936. I find the build quality of the pen to be a step down from Hakko, and, more importantly, the tips keep slipping out since they don't seem to have a locking mechanism. I also miss the Hakko's temperature control, as the default setting is a bit too cool to solder the joint on things like RCA jacks without heating up the entire jack. For day-to-day stuff it's perfectly fine.
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That's really cool! Kind of looks like an AD844.
Would the cascode (Q1/Q2) be happier with more voltage drop than D1? The BC546/556 have some weird curves and don't saturate as quickly as something like the BC337/327.
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I was thinking of grabbing a few pieces for an input buffer, but haven't ever used them before. Any reason why it'd be a better bet than, say, the cheaper/current BF862 (datasheet PDF) if I don't need gain or particularly low noise?
Glow tubes are pretty; it follows that any amp that uses them will sound better than one that does not. A normal person might be tempted to string them in series and use them as a reference for a regulator. Instead, each channel gets its own shunt regulator with a voltage reference made up of a zener stacked on top of the glow tube, and a SiC shunt device. R7 ensures that the tube strikes.
KG Balanced Dynahi build discussion thread
in Do It Yourself
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If you don't mind downloading a 25mb pdf, the National FET Databook actually shows the dies. Some aren't perfectly symmetrical, so while they'll work in either configuration, I'm guessing they could perform slightly differently if D and S are flipped (e.g. process 88 shows more surface area for the S than D-- might impact gm?).
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/components/national/_dataBooks/1977_National_FET_Databook.pdf