spritzer Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Here is what I've been doing for the last day or so when time allowed... This one has the tubes mounted on top of the board to make building and testing far easier. This version uses the old KGSSHV transistors and works with both the fancy teflon tube sockets and the standard ceramic/plastic stuff. This gives the added benefit of extra holes to cool the tubes. Boards are 4.7" x 4.7" and as soon as we are happy I'll order some prototypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Very nice, a tiny footprint. Are the new kgsshv substitutions (mpsw*) valid for each of the older transistors? I think I'm running a bit low on those but I have the 06/56 from my krell purchases. Will there be any problems with the film caps being that close to the tube glass? I had reservations about mounting components on the same side as the tubes in the megatron, but I don't actually know if the temps make a difference. Edited March 8, 2014 by nopants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) dual transistor version http://gilmore.chem.northwestern.edu/kgst2.jpg Edited March 8, 2014 by kevin gilmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Will there be any problems with the film caps being that close to the tube glass? I had reservations about mounting components on the same side as the tubes in the megatron, but I don't actually know if the temps make a difference. While the tubes will get hot it's above the caps so they won't see too much heat. Electrolytic caps are rated to 85-105°C but film caps can take way more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 So, when's the board run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 no rush I am poor and obviously everything revolves around me it almost looks like you can cut this board in half and stack output stage on top of the front end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 No board run coming from us but any of you are free to organize one. it almost looks like you can cut this board in half and stack output stage on top of the front end There would be a lot of wires running between the boards but yeah, it would be possible. Also, it isn't 100% clear from the pic but next to the heater connector there is a hole in the board to pass the wires through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 it seems like a neat way to go if you wanted to easily swap output stages. I've seen it used in a couple places for both amps and dacs. I think they use jumper pins to make that connection though. might be cheaper to make board runs that way too if it's now 2.5 x 5, but someone else would know better than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Swapping output stages isn't a good idea. The first Stax T2 used this front end (well similar) with EL34's but it would never work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 oh I meant from a future project perspective, if you wanted to reuse this board work for the front end. I think work is starting to get to me, I keep trying to identify and reuse IP blocks Just thinking out loud, don't mind me Quick question about the servo though, what's the lead spacing for the wima cap? Shouldn't need more than a 25V rating right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Pretty much any film cap would work but it's that big as the cheapest caps are often 250V or so and also much more common. This was just lifted wholesale from the KGSSHV board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 The frontend is from the KGSSHV so I guess you could make a EL34 output stage with 10M90S CCS, in which case it would just be an updated Blue Hawaii? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 not really. BH is grounded grid drive. a fair bit more linear in the output stage. And a bunch more parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 That also isn't the KGSSHV front end. It's similar but not the same. If we had any new parts that we could use then an updated BH would be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Of course, how did I forget. Interested to see how the KGST compares to the KGBH, hoping for my wallet's sake that it's close enough. Frankly I have almost exclusively used OEM earbuds straight out of my phone/laptop the past few years, so pretty much anything would be an improvement. Edit: Only difference I see are the 100 ohm input resistors and the servo is connected to the bases of the A970s instead of the 1486s? What else am I missing? Edited March 13, 2014 by mypasswordis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Look closer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 So I've been having some fun with this design. I've gone ahead and shrunk this thing way down. Each channel is 2" x 4.5". I've used some really small SMD parts so not for the faint of heart. Here's the boards: If you look at the bottom of the board (left center: R4 - U1) I've designed a servo based on the T2 style with an a twist since it needed to push/pull in the opposite direction. Q1 & Q5 are really small. Very proud I could solder them. Here's some shots of the amp up and running. The PS is in the style of the KGSShv PS. It was an early prototype. I've got it set to +/-400V. I added a +/-15V with the transformer mounted to it. Nice and small and allowed me to use the Antek stock transformer. The servo starts the amp at +3V and within 5 minutes has it down to less than 0.1V (see above). It stays nice and tight within about 0.02V once it settles. I've had it on the scope. Very flat response from 10 - 70KHz (which is all I bothered measuring). I had a chance to listen to the one channel. So far so good. Dead quiet and the sound seems to be there. Need the other channel to really tell. All in all I'm very happy. No explosions and it does what I wanted. I'm going to try to build this into a 7" x 12" x 2" chassis. We'll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 That looks very nice indeed. Well done (as always)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted May 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 amazing job kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Wow! wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Inspiring work as always, Kerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palchiu Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Fantastic! Really looks nice, love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Stunning work Kerry. Q1 and Q5 are silly small so congrats on being able to hand solder them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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