philodox Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hi all, I posted this on head-fi as well, but figured the folks here might have some input as well since there seems to be quite a few DAC users... Well, I am still strongly considering the Lavry Black as it seems to be a perfect solution for my needs. I will be using a Slimdevices Squeezebox to feed it and initially will drive my HF-1's from the headphone output and my balanced K340's from the XLR outputs. Now, the QC issues that are being discussed on the Lavry forums combined with Ori's recent review that seem to be giving the nodd towards the Zhaolu have me concerned. What I'm wondering, is there any similar DAC's out there that I may want to consider? Things that I need: - True balanced output. No generating inverse phase after the output stage. - Decent built in headphone amp for low impedance headphones. - SPDIF input [coaxial] Things that would be nice: - Discrete amplification [This almost made it to the need category] - No opamps or caps in the signal path [Ditto] - Great built in headphone amp for low impedance headphones. - USB input - Volume control My budget is $1000, though if it cost less that would be great. To give you an idea of the sound I like, I love the Eastsound, wasn't too impressed with the DAC1, and am absolutely crazy about the top end Wadia gear. Thanks in advance, Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I would avoid the zhalou, parts quality is pretty low and there have been reports of extremely high dc offset at the rca and xlr outputs. Build quality is also less than stellar looks pretty fragile to me. The Lavry is a very nice dac we have a few members here that have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I would avoid the zhalou, parts quality is pretty low and there have been reports of extremely high dc offset at the rca and xlr outputs. Build quality is also less than stellar looks pretty fragile to me. The Lavry is a very nice dac we have a few members here that have them.Good points... I also have little reason to trust Ori's opinion after this paper weight of an amp he designed for me. Any other options out there though? Just making sure I've covered all my bases before making a $1000 purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hi all, I posted this on head-fi as well, but figured the folks here might have some input as well since there seems to be quite a few DAC users... Well, I am still strongly considering the Lavry Black as it seems to be a perfect solution for my needs. I will be using a Slimdevices Squeezebox to feed it and initially will drive my HF-1's from the headphone output and my balanced K340's from the XLR outputs. Now, the QC issues that are being discussed on the Lavry forums combined with Ori's recent review that seem to be giving the nodd towards the Zhaolu have me concerned. What I'm wondering, is there any similar DAC's out there that I may want to consider? Things that I need: - True balanced output. No generating inverse phase after the output stage. - Decent built in headphone amp for low impedance headphones. - SPDIF input [coaxial] Things that would be nice: - Discrete amplification [This almost made it to the need category] - No opamps or caps in the signal path [Ditto] - Great built in headphone amp for low impedance headphones. - USB input - Volume control My budget is $1000, though if it cost less that would be great. To give you an idea of the sound I like, I love the Eastsound, wasn't too impressed with the DAC1, and am absolutely crazy about the top end Wadia gear. Thanks in advance, Jason The CEC DA53 can be had from pricejapan for $685. Add an m3 or dynalo etc for the headphone amp requirement and you're still way under $1000, have usb input, a dac with great sound, with true balanced outputs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike F Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I also have little reason to trust Ori's opinion after this paper weight of an amp he designed for me. Did you tell him the truth? He was offended when I thought the X2 a "little better" than the X1. I'm in no position the play with DACs now but I do want to try some different digital cables. I wish I had three DACs for different moods. I only have three moods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberian Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi all, I posted this on head-fi as well, but figured the folks here might have some input as well since there seems to be quite a few DAC users... Well, I am still strongly considering the Lavry Black as it seems to be a perfect solution for my needs. I will be using a Slimdevices Squeezebox to feed it and initially will drive my HF-1's from the headphone output and my balanced K340's from the XLR outputs. Now, the QC issues that are being discussed on the Lavry forums combined with Ori's recent review that seem to be giving the nodd towards the Zhaolu have me concerned. What I'm wondering, is there any similar DAC's out there that I may want to consider? Things that I need: - True balanced output. No generating inverse phase after the output stage. - Decent built in headphone amp for low impedance headphones. - SPDIF input [coaxial] Things that would be nice: - Discrete amplification [This almost made it to the need category] - No opamps or caps in the signal path [Ditto] - Great built in headphone amp for low impedance headphones. - USB input - Volume control My budget is $1000, though if it cost less that would be great. To give you an idea of the sound I like, I love the Eastsound, wasn't too impressed with the DAC1, and am absolutely crazy about the top end Wadia gear. Thanks in advance, Jason grawk's zhaolu DAC blew up and had horrible build quality plus other issues. don't make your decision based on one single review...who knows if ori has an axe to grind or not. seriously my hype alarm rang when i read that review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Thanks buddy... I've since been warned. And yeah, my BS alarm rang off too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberian Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 now i just need to get my hands on the CEC DA53... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Thanks for the help guys, I've made my choice... Oh yeah, I've got my green dress on, I'm dancing... wait, whats that in my hands??? PS. What serial number do you guys have? Mine is 51428. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Dreamer Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 51301 here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 now i just need to get my hands on the CEC DA53... Pricejapan.com gave me a quote of $668 for the CEC DA53 a few days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberian Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 51385.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Cool... any way I can check to see if mine has been updated or was part of the second production run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberian Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Cool... any way I can check to see if mine has been updated or was part of the second production run? yours should be from the second run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I would avoid the zhalou, parts quality is pretty low and there have been reports of extremely high dc offset at the rca and xlr outputs. Build quality is also less than stellar looks pretty fragile to me. The Lavry is a very nice dac we have a few members here that have them. I was talking with Ken Law from Storm Digital earlier and he mentioned something about the clock on the Zhalou being a lie/trick, that you could take it out and the DAC would still work. Not exactly sure if he means the clock is completely useless and actually doesn't do anything or if he meant something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Dreamer Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I was talking with Ken Law from Storm Digital earlier and he mentioned something about the clock on the Zhalou being a lie/trick, that you could take it out and the DAC would still work. Not exactly sure if he means the clock is completely useless and actually doesn't do anything or if he meant something else. Wow, this just keeps getting richer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 That is very interesting... you should post that rumour in Ori's 'Zhaolu kills all' thread and see what he has to say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 That is very interesting... you should post that rumour in Ori's 'Zhaolu kills all' thread and see what he has to say about it. I don't know enough about it to post over there and deal with the barrage of questions, it would be better if Ken himslef posted (not sure whether he can or not due to the posting rules) or have him explain it to someone who would understand it better and be able to fully explain and answer questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In that case, I think Iron Dreamer should contact Ken... he seems to know his shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In that case, I think Iron Dreamer should contact Ken... he seems to know his shit. There is also the language barrier to contend with. I think Ken was going to talk to Adrian about it but I don't know how much knowledge he actually has on the subject either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hmmm, is it against the forum rules for Ken to talk about it here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkless Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hmmm, is it against the forum rules for Ken to talk about it here? Not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Dreamer Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Unfortunately, if I started making statemens questioning the new FOTM, I would probably just be ruthlessly assailed for trying to "protect my investment." So I don't know if that would do any good. I think a non Lavry or DAC1 owner would have to be the one going against the grain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I'd have no problem posting the info if I had a better handle on it. I can get a basic grasp on what's going on when someone explains it but would have a hard time explaining it back or answering questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted March 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Unfortunately, if I started making statemens questioning the new FOTM, I would probably just be ruthlessly assailed for trying to "protect my investment." So I don't know if that would do any good. I think a non Lavry or DAC1 owner would have to be the one going against the grain.I nominate aerius! He gets banned every other week anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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