omendelovitz Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Can someone lead me to more info on the subject? I googled what I hoped would be some good keywords to get me to a thread or something... no luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I've used 3 different mini jacks on 3 different portable amps, and some of all of them get sent back with broken jacks. In the case of the Pico, i've replaced about half a dozen jacks, on every one of them an ALO dock was listed in the rig of the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFKMan23 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 ALO Audio Something like that being used on portable amps can't be a good idea. 18 AWG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omendelovitz Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I'm not surprised this is linked to KB. Honestly, the man is all marketing IMO. He knows that bigger is better in most people's eyes (especially newbies) and takes advantage of the information assymetry. I'll be the first to admit that the mini-mini LOOKS top of the line, but also know that it is wayyyyy overkill. Justin, does the jack break itself or does it actually rip the solder joints? Either way I don't envy your situation. Best of luck with that - given the nature of the business, it's better to eat the cost and move on than have some peeved customer trash your work and your quality (baseless as it would be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I'm not surprised this is linked to KB. Honestly, the man is all marketing IMO. He knows that bigger is better in most people's eyes (especially newbies) and takes advantage of the information assymetry. I'll be the first to admit that the mini-mini LOOKS top of the line, but also know that it is wayyyyy overkill. Justin, does the jack break itself or does it actually rip the solder joints? Either way I don't envy your situation. Best of luck with that - given the nature of the business, it's better to eat the cost and move on than have some peeved customer trash your work and your quality (baseless as it would be). The metal contacts inside get slightly bent from up/down/left/right force the bending of the cable puts on it and its enough to break the jack. The insides of the jack still look the same, it doesnt take much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckledragger Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 ALO connectors are to mini jacks as Rocco Siffredi is to Katsumi. If you don't know what that means, you're a better person than I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark baguette Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I've always thought of them as the audio equivalent to the comical straight-through mufflers that are attached to tiny exhaust pipes on early 90's honda civics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I've always thought of them as the audio equivalent to the comical straight-through mufflers that are attached to tiny exhaust pipes on early 90's honda civics. Audio Rice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recstar24 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Audio Rice Rice rockets? At least that is what us asians call them:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Forgive my density, but these ALO products are just line out docks, right? The straight ipod LODs don't bypass anything internal to the iPod, correct? And the iMod LOD has Black Gates in it. Why does it need caps? Someone please 'splain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy2001 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 ALO connectors are to mini jacks as Rocco Siffredi is to Katsumi. If you don't know what that means, you're a better person than I. Okay, now that I googled Rocco and Katsumi I understand. THAT IS DISGUSTING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Forgive my density, but these ALO products are just line out docks, right? The straight ipod LODs don't bypass anything internal to the iPod, correct? And the iMod LOD has Black Gates in it. Why does it need caps? Someone please 'splain. The imod removes the caps in the ipod and moves them out to the dock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenso Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 oh shi-, I should stop using my ALO splitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The imod removes the caps in the ipod and moves them out to the dock. Yup and you you need output caps to remove all DC from the output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Yup and you you need output caps to remove all DC from the output. Wouldn't those caps be redundant if the amplifier after the iMod/dock isn't DC coupled? Forgive my ignorance please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 sure, if it had caps on the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckledragger Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 i bet Rocco doesn't get paid as much per shoot as what those ALO cables cost, though. He probably doesn't cryo treat his ....oh, nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akabeth Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I've had rare channel cut-outs from using my ALO Ed9's (w/18AWG Jena cable) through the Predator. Though for me that's understandable. The stiffness of the cable, plus the *thick* Canare 1/8" plugs pulling it at whichever angle doesn't bode well with the sockets so all I had to do is to realign the amp. I mean the Canare jack is half the damn size of the Predator. That said I've never heard of Ken's cables damaging headphone jacks Btw I lol'd at the Rocco analogy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 So in order to use the 5/5.5G iMod, you must purchase an ALO superblingLODsilverwhosit? And this is not a violative tying arrangement how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 So in order to use the 5/5.5G iMod, you must purchase an ALO superblingLODsilverwhosit? And this is not a violative tying arrangement how? I think it isn't violative because you technically could use an appropriate dock made by someone else. S2 Audio was making them for a while I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenso Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I just read the Red Wine Audio website because I was curious about what they are selling these days and I came across this. Red Wine Audio iMod Do NOT use any other dock cable with your 5G/5.5G iMod or damage *may* occur to your amplifier and/or headphones/speakers. We are NOT responsible for any misuse. LOL? *may*... they're pretty tricky. I almost didn't catch that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 <snip> That said, before this thread I'd never heard of Ken's cables potentially damaging headphone jacks Btw I lol'd at the Rocco analogy FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFF Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 LOL at the Rocco analogy as well! I have the Cotton Dock and it works well with my gear. No damage to it whatsoever. I also think it sounds good. Maybe he is using new connectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The problem isn't the connectors, it's the force exterted by bending cables that thick. They try and straighten out, putting pressure on the inside of the jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 So in order to use the 5/5.5G iMod, you must purchase an ALO superblingLODsilverwhosit? And this is not a violative tying arrangement how? I think it isn't violative because you technically could use an appropriate dock made by someone else. S2 Audio was making them for a while I think. I just read the Red Wine Audio website because I was curious about what they are selling these days and I came across this. Red Wine Audio iMod LOL? *may*... they're pretty tricky. I almost didn't catch that. There is no antitrust violation for the reason Nate said -- the fact is that Vinnie couldn't come up with an iMod for the 5th Generation iPod until Ken had the idea to put the caps in a dock and so ALO came out with the first ones. Others have made them and you are not required to buy one when you buy the iPod so there is no tying or other violation, lawyer Monkey. The language Nenso quoted doesn't have anything to do with damage to headphone jacks that this thread was about, it has to do with using a regular dock without capacitors in it because doing so can fuck over the speakers or headphones connected to the iMod that way. LOL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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