The Monkey Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Time to make some cables. I want to cover them in the soft nylon stuff. What sizes would I need for the following: 1) 4-conductor 22 or 24 AWG braid 2) Over regular Mogami Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Knight Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 3/16" is what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fungi Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yeah, the 1/8" only fits over the mini quad, and 1/4" is pretty fat over 4 strands of 22-24awg. 3/16" would work for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Dinny, Shoot me a PM with how much you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dinny, Shoot me a PM with how much you need. Thanks Nate, but I'll probably need a bunch. I hope to make several ICs and a Senn cable. What's a good source for this stuff these days. I'm also trying to figure out what wire to go with for the Senn cable and the interconnects. Suggestions welcome. I have a bunch of Mogami around, so that will take care of some of the ICs, but I want moar special stuff, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 you want nugget brand UPOCC, it's moar colder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebby Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 you want nugget brand UPOCC, it's moar colder so it's been cryo'd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 No, it's just colder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yeah, the wire is stored in my basement (where all evil things belong) and the basement is colder. So in truth we use a semi-cryo process which offers the benefit of cryo while not going too far. Really, it's the perfect blend of cryo/non-cryo technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebby Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yeah, the wire is stored in my basement (where all evil things belong) and the basement is colder. So in truth we use a semi-cryo process which offers the benefit of cryo while not going too far. Really, it's the perfect blend of cryo/non-cryo technology. Wait, you mean you have a balanced blend of cryo/non-cryo technology? I heard everything is better balanced! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 What's a good source for this stuff these days.I believe I got mine from wirecare.com, but I'd have to look to be sure. The size that I use most is 3/16 I think, I'll double check that for you as well. I'm still working off the 200' spool a bought a year ago but there's less left than I thought... I'm also trying to figure out what wire to go with for the Senn cable and the interconnects. Suggestions welcome. I have a bunch of Mogami around, so that will take care of some of the ICs, but I want moar special stuff, too.For IC's I think I've found my favorite in 24ga UPOCC in PVC. The last batch I got from Take5 had a thinner pvc jacket than some of the other stuff that I've gotten from them and worked really well. Not good for headphone cables though. For headphone cables I really want to try 28ga UPOCC in teflon, that'll probably be what ends up on my HF1s or 2s. If you want to try UPOCC let me know and I'll get you some with my discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebby Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 for the UPOCC, are you braiding them + techflex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 for the UPOCC, are you braiding them + techflex? Most often I use two sets of twisted pairs so that the L and R channels don't cross. Some have said that braided cables will increase crosstalk although I've never seen any measurements to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Most often I use two sets of twisted pairs so that the L and R channels don't cross. Some have said that braided cables will increase crosstalk although I've never seen any measurements to back it up. I would think it would be rather easy to show in RMAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I would think it would be rather easy to show in RMAA? One would think, yes, but I can't say that I've bothered to try and I've never seen anyone else post the graphs. I should send a couple cables to amb and have him run them on his measurement rig. The thing that always struck me funny about this advice is that every damn aftermarket headphone cable you see is braided, every mini-mini is braided, just about every mini-RCA is braided but WHOA WHOA WHOA hold the phone when you do straight RCA-RCA, don't braid those or you'll ruin the listening experience. Oh, and that's not to mention that I've always been told to twist signal wires inside a chassis to help fight noise. Granted, those are for short runs so whatever impact the increased crosstalk might have is probably limited. And lets not forget, I think the bottleneck regarding crosstalk on most amps is likely whatever attenuator/potentiometer you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 The electro magnetic fields (tiny as they are) might interact to some extend but as Nate said, the amps are a bigger bottleneck. I wonder if braided power cables aren't a big no-no then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Twisted pair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebby Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 That's why you get the underlings to do the terminations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 that's why jacob was doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 i hate twisted pair. after about the 30th ethernet termination, my fingers always ache from untwisting the buggers. Weakling, I find punching down patch panels and making patch cords to be incredibly easy work, just boring. Replacing or installing a jack in some awkward spot under a desk, now that sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted May 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 You guys should have a punch down contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Yeah, but he'd probably literally punch me and declare victory. \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les_Garten Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Time to make some cables. I want to cover them in the soft nylon stuff. What sizes would I need for the following: 1) 4-conductor 22 or 24 AWG braid 2) Over regular Mogami Thanks! I just bought a bunch of this(Multifilment) cheap from furryletters on ebay. He ships fast too. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I just bought a bunch of this(Multifilment) cheap from furryletters on ebay. He ships fast too. Les Les, Which type/size did you order? Seems that guy has a bunch of different kinds of sleeving some of which is just regular old techflex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les_Garten Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Les, Which type/size did you order? Seems that guy has a bunch of different kinds of sleeving some of which is just regular old techflex. Here's the page. He lists it as Braided Nylon. I bought 1/8, 3/16, and 1/4. Cheap and Fast, just like my first wife! eBay Store ? FURRYLETTERS: Search results for. I ordered Thurs or Friday and received it today. The reason why he says Techflex is because it is really TechFlex brand of braided Nylon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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