Koss fraud. Wow, not good.

[Tyll Hertsens]

Sweet!

[deepak]

Appearently, she's also agreed to pay $34 million in restitution to Koss after she is out of prison. I wonder how she plans on doing that.

Could she file chapter 7? Though I am assuming most of the loot in her warehouse has been seized

[Dusty Chalk]

I hope they are at least sending her to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and not some cupcake resort/hotel BS.

Dude, you are so optimistic it makes me cry. You know that's exactly where she's going -- this is white collar crime, not anything violent.

[Dreadhead]

Dude, you are so optimistic it makes me cry. You know that's exactly where she's going -- this is white collar crime, not anything violent.

last time I looked smoking crack wasn't violent (to anyone else) either and they certainly send you to fuck me in the ass prison...

[grawk]

naw, they don't send you to prison for smoking crack, just for selling, which often is violent. But drugs are a special category in the american legal system

[fishski13]

naw, they don't send you to prison for smoking crack, just for selling, which often is violent. But drugs are a special category in the american legal system

pretzel logic, but legalize it and no more violence.

[mypasswordis]

pretzel logic, but legalize it and no more violence.

Legalize it, have the Mexican drug cartels (aka Mexico) be the sole providers and regulate under the FDA, have it heavily taxed and use the money for getting us out of debt and subsidies for things like healthcare and education.

[dsavitsk]

We lock people up for that long for relatively minor stuff.

This is true, but it is only part of the problem. More important than the length of the sentences is that we prosecute and lock people up at all for minor stuff. And, more important than that is that while incarceration is costly, the process of getting someone from arrest to prison via plea bargains is hyper efficient and cheap. Require a trial for the 95% of convictions obtained through plea bargains and the prison population would drop dramatically.

[fishski13]

Legalize it, have the Mexican drug cartels (aka Mexico) be the sole providers and regulate under the FDA, have it heavily taxed and use the money for getting us out of debt and subsidies for things like healthcare and education.

that's all fine and dandy, but i just want to Dubstep.

[mypasswordis]

Then I think X would be more appropriate.

[Wmcmanus]

11 years of light duty prison seems about right to me. At the end of the video clip that Salt Peanuts posted, it states that she'll be in a "minimum security" prison, so it's probably one of those federal golf camps. Wonder if she'll be out in 3 years on parole?

[fishski13]

Then I think X would be more appropriate.

true, but i'm a sissy, and i've seen my fair share of X deaths...from only popping one.

[deepak]

then it likely wasn't x, because x is pretty safe

Statistics please.

[mypasswordis]

true, but i'm a sissy, and i've seen my fair share of X deaths...from only popping one.

Nothing wrong with being safe rather than sorry. That said, if I ever go to a rave, I intend on getting the full experience.

Now that I have successfully derailed the thread.. I like how there's at least six dubstep remixes of Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap (who I'm a fan of). I dig this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lk4N-EEdY

[deepak]

Journal of Psychopharmacology 2009; 23; 3

This study sought to test the association between ecstasy-use and abnormal sleep. An anonymous web-based questionnaire containing questions on drug use and sleep was completed by 1035 individuals. From this large sample, a group of 89 ecstasy users were found who reported very little use of other drugs. This ”ecstasy-only“ group was further divided into two groups of 31 current users and 58 abstinent users. The subjective sleep of current and former ecstasy-only users was compared with that of matched controls. Patients were asked to rate their sleep according to: 1) sleep quality, 2) sleep latency, 3) night time awakenings and 4) total sleep time. Current ecstasy-only users reported significantly worse sleep quality (P < 0.05) and a greater total sleep time (P < 0.001) than controls. It was inferred that these differences might be due to recovery from the acute effects of the drug. Abstinent ecstasy-only users reported significantly more nighttime awakenings than controls (P < 0.01). These subjective findings are in agreement with the objective findings of previous studies showing persistent sleep abnormalities in ecstasy users.

It looks like a prospective cohort study following their sleep patterns, not sure how it is related to safety?

[deepak]

here is an attempted UK breakdown, up to the mid 90s. i should really be asking for evidence of the supposed immediate deaths, not the other way around.

Coccaine/crack looks fairly safe too

[deepak]

here is a good one. really, illegal drugs aren't particularly deadly in general compared to tylenol or alcohol, even when statistics are normalized. LSD is about as safe as golden grahams and MDMA isn't any more likely to kill you than anything else you put in your body on any given day. watch out for chicken bones.

I don't see any data. I only see them describing the categories and tables in pages 17-26.

[deepak]

that was supposed to be a link to the entire study. i can't be bothered to go find the whole thing because i don't care anymore. my informatics performance has been decreased by my recent drug use. i'm sure you can find the shit easier than i can. i think i've given a reasonable backing to the idea that MDMA is pretty safe with the other shit, especially from post #246.

From home my access to journals is only as good as anyone else here.

TheDEA.org: Ecstasy Statistics

Going back to the above site- the only two non-narcotic classes that top ecstasy are NSAIDs and anti-depressants (even more interesting the two isolated are SSRIs and not MAOs). Just IMO 5500 ER visits is significant. 110000 visits to the ER from cannabis, this is seriously bizarre.

because, really, they are, from a deaths caused perspective. they aren't really all that different from the opiods i've been popping all week, and i'm not dead. the problem with many drugs isn't that they kill you outright, it's the social issues they can cause. a problem with most of the rest is simply that they are illegal.

For ecstasy to be almost the same mortality wise as coccaine/crack doesn't inspire much confidence. Granted I have not seen any ecstasy ER visits, I have seen plenty for coke. The shit that will do to you when someone ODs is not pretty.

edit: anyway Jacob I didn't instigate this for the sake of being argumentative. I know you're a fairly rooted objectivist (as am I when it comes to medical issues) so I was interested in seeing the data, and I will try to find the full article of the one that took statistics from individual states for my own curiosity.

Edited December 20, 2010 by deepak

[fishski13]

then it likely wasn't x, because x is pretty safe (in fact, it's about as risky as horse back riding). a lot of things, such as strong amphetamines, get sold as ecstasy.

sure, but that's the problem, you don't know what it cut with. until the FDA regulates it, it can be anything.

i've worked in a Medical ICU and ER for 10 years, i'll be the last one to argue with you about the damage of alcohol. i also see suicide attempts daily, with OTC and prescribed. these drugs will be more deadly if taken in large doses for the purpose of inducing multi-system organ failure. MDMA is not the drug of choice for a suicide attempt. also, who's to say that MDMA in combo with other drugs wasn't the precipitating drug.

[Knuckledragger]

From what I've observed of rave culture, MDMA can lead to magical star fairies.

[fishski13]

who's to say it wasn't the magical star fairies.

[Spychedelic Whale]

Druggies on hc http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/

[CarlSeibert]

This is true, but it is only part of the problem. More important than the length of the sentences is that we prosecute and lock people up at all for minor stuff. And, more important than that is that while incarceration is costly, the process of getting someone from arrest to prison via plea bargains is hyper efficient and cheap. Require a trial for the 95% of convictions obtained through plea bargains and the prison population would drop dramatically.

That's WAY too effin' intelligent. You must be some kind of anarchist or something.

[fishski13]

you know, if it was the magical star fairies, it suggests that the fey folk have a mean streak.

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[WilCox]

If anyone wants to read more details about this bizarre crime, here's a story from a local magazine that was published a couple of months ago: The Diva - Features - Milwaukee Magazine