luvdunhill Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 A not-so-perfect way to do this would be plug the ear speakers almost all the way in the do a continuity test between the exposed pin and the other socket, pin for pin. With the amp off. Then repeat on the other socket. This isn't perfect, but it's an easy triage test and easier than opening the amp up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Bringing this over from the LIO train wreck -- apologize for being so out of the loop but what was the "fix" and when did it surface? I'm enjoying the hell out of the 009 and BHSE combo. Not sure when it was implemented and Stax aren't saying, the whole mantra that they will continue to improve (or fuck up) the product holds true with them. Basically they changed the diaphragm setup so now they aren't as bright. For me they went from basically unusable to very good just because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Thanks Birgir. I don't find my set bright at all -- whether due to Stax's efforts or my own tin ears -- so it's all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Given that used 202's from YJ go for cheap as chips yeah that sounds about spot on with my pair, huge treble, not much mid bass to lower mid range but I find that surprisingly neutrally helpful on some recordings. The 404's are pretty bassy, dominant mid bass section but liquid smooth sounding with a little etch present on the upper mids that some people find emphasized, bright and uninvolving, ymmv of course. The problem with 202 drivers in the Sigma enclosure would be the sound would be too brittle and light sounding and the treble would be the main bit you will hear. The Sigma/404 combo is different because the dominant mid bass of the 404 drivers in it's stock enclosure becomes a bit more distant in the bigger Sigma enclosure thus resulting in a more neutralish and slightly laid back balanced sound with the low's nicely filled that even the stock Sigma's and Sigma Pro's fail to accomplish and provide to the listener. By all accounts the Sigma has a large mid to upper bass hump and rolled off treble even though the SR-Lambda which uses the same drivers is very close to flat with a slight midrange emphasis and gently rolled off extremes. I don't think using a driver with more bass (except for the low bass) is going to help the issue, but I haven't heard a Sigma/404 so reserve judgment until then. All this talk of a SR009 that isn't as bright really makes me want one now. Maybe I'll pick up a used pair a few years down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefQon Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 The Sigma/404 well I used the 303 drivers instead which is the identical drivers used in the 404 sounded very balanced due to the nature i explained i my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 All this talk of a SR009 that isn't as bright really makes me want one now. Maybe I'll pick up a used pair a few years down the line. Thanks Birgir. I don't find my set bright at all -- whether due to Stax's efforts or my own tin ears -- so it's all good. I don't think my set is bright either and this is an older set. In a direct comparison with Mulveling's new set, my SR009 is very slightly warmer sounding. Not sure why is this. The only time that I find the SR009 unbearable is when I'm running it off the KGSTwith RCA tubes. The GE tubes work much better for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMoney Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Not sure when it was implemented and Stax aren't saying, the whole mantra that they will continue to improve (or fuck up) the product holds true with them. Basically they changed the diaphragm setup so now they aren't as bright. For me they went from basically unusable to very good just because of that. Maybe at some point in the future I'll send my new 009s to Tyll for measuring. He measured my original pair way back when (link) so it would be interesting to see if there are any substantial differences in the charts for a newer pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 One must do mod with the 009 is to stuff the inside of the earpads with some foam. This restores the soundstage they are missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstrelow Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 One must do mod with the 009 is to stuff the inside of the earpads with some foam. This restores the soundstage they are missing. So what do you think is the explanation for this effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Simple, the earpads are too flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_r Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 My 009s are from december of 2013, not sure if that counts as a 'new pair'. Probably doesn't matter but the serial is SZ9-2295. Either way I don't find them bright at all. Anyway, mind sharing the details of the foam mod you've done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 The serial on mine is 2561 so yours could be the fixed one. Stax would never tell us though... The goal of the foam mod is to increase the height of the earpads behind the ears to get a better angle of the drivers above the ears. I made a wedge shaped piece of foam (think ( on it's side) and out the thickest part where the small recess behind and under the ears is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_r Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 What type of foam did you use? Just a few mm thick I assume? What about that wool mod on the other site? I'm almost tempted to get new earpads to try these out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Just some scrap foam I had and I never go to the HF forums any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) I'm waiting for the Analaxitive mod. Edited February 24, 2015 by Hopstretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstrelow Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 So what do you think is the explanation for this effect? Simple, the earpads are too flat. A 009 user from Finland is arguing for changes in the sonic signature of these foams produced by changing the foam material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I stole some foam from worn out 007 pads, cut those in half and shoved both halves into the back of the 009. Seems to do the trick for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMoney Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 My 009s are from december of 2013, not sure if that counts as a 'new pair'. Probably doesn't matter but the serial is SZ9-2295. The serial on mine is 2561 so yours could be the fixed one. Old Pair: 1207. New Pair: 2957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Birgir, could you provide a picture of the when mounted to the headphones? Somehow I have a hard time understanding exactly what you did. I would greatly appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 2251 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefQon Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm waiting for the Analaxitive mod. With more plankton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Birgir, could you provide a picture of the when mounted to the headphones? Somehow I have a hard time understanding exactly what you did. I would greatly appreciate it. Here you go, this is a shot of the left earpiece: So the goal is the increase the height of the earpads in the back to get a greater angle. The greater the angle, the better the soundstage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I will give it a try. Thanks for the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laowei Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Yes, thanks Birgir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) One must do mod with the 009 is to stuff the inside of the earpads with some foam. This restores the soundstage they are missing. Could EP-007's be used on 009's Birgir, and if so would they achieve the same goal ? Edited February 27, 2015 by Dave R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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