pete - u referring to L3000 as leatherhead or something else? if so, is it really 90% of l3k sold to HC'ers?

Hey Budi. Yes, Leatherhead is a slang term for L3000. Can't answer the second question.

honestly folks, how many % people like us constitute to overall market of headphones/dap player market? 1? 2? or 5% max ? These product are aimed for mass market out there. its whole different world out there and like it or not we are the geeks of headphone. everyone @hf and especially here most likely been told by friends/families something like : wtf ?!!!! u spend $XXX to buy this stupid earphone ? how much more different can it make ?? i dont see that much of different for sure !! well, for me 60% to 95% (ibud to jh13/16) do make a difference. 95 - 100 is already moot

Dude, we're not beefing with them because of some kind of audiophile arrogance. Nobody knows or cares what the phones in there sound like. They could be stuffed with JH13s, but they'd still be stupid and ugly.

Hey Budi. Yes, Leatherhead is a slang term for L3000. Can't answer the second question.

hi ya Ken.....hope things well with you.....i miss seeing you again this year on my way out. this time me with my family, so things a bit hectic.......