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He did prefer the bass light ones since they scaled better and were just more representative of the intent of Sony with the r10 (The Japanese sound i.e. bass light but emphasis on airiness soundstage mids etc).
However he finds that the HE90/HEV90 pairing is very similar to the the bass light R10 sound and I think he thinks it does it better than the bass light r10 no matter what amp is backing it.
The bass heavy r10 is sufficiently different from the he90/hev90 to justify keeping etc.
I thinkkk that's the reasoning. Or else the buyer demanded the bass light rather than the bass heavy ;p
Actually, I appreciated both pairs equally. In fact, I would love to keep my lighter bass pair and get a better amp to make them sound better, but I found the bassier R10 to be more enjoyable, although not as refined sounding as the pair I let go. IMO, if one can bring out slightly more bass extension and quantity while keeping the rest of the sound signature unchanged, one can have a close headphone that is superior sounding to the HEV90+HE90 combo. After all, I still like the way the R10 does vocals more than my HE90. I believe the answer lies in the SDS-XLR that is way too expensive for my wallet.
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Update to the list, I've finally heard the HE90 and PS-1.
My Top 5 (not necessarily in order (OK, OK, sort of in order)): HE90, SR-007, R10, K1000, HE60, 4070, L3000, W5000, PS-1
I suspect the R10 will move behind the HE90 after you receive the Supra XLR. Hope you get it soon man. BTW, my ES-1 is coming in 4 days.
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I now left with one R10. My SN. # 287 (lighter bass pair with better midrange and soundstaging) is now in the hand of the new owner who lives in Colorado.
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Were the R10 really that good? pfft
Yes, but not to the level of the HEV90+HE90 combo but certainly very close.
Of course, I'm biased but both Mulveling and Tom Hankins agreed with my finding when they came over. The R10 is all about powerful amp and source. They are the most picky headphones I have deal with to date. -
Guys,
Anyone wants to give this a try? IMO, you can mod a headphone to have a tighter bass and a more natural high but you can't improve the midrange,details, and soundstaging. What do you think? Can the modification be as good as claimed? MarkL has an interesting check on his pair of R10.
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Well...I would wait for the up and coming replacement for the HD-650. I still think the HD-650 is the best headphone under 1k as long as you don't mind building a good system around them. They never fail to impress me out of moderate rig like the Maxed PPA and out of my SDS. They also scaled up significantly when I heard them balanced out of Tom Hankins's SDS-XLR. I would stay away from the D5000 because they are less refined sounding and place more emphasis on bass than the HD-650.
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Actually grawk I did not tell the whole story! Shame on me but since you all seem soooo interested in my purchases I will let you know the details of the sale.
Hr-2
Alo V-dock
Alo imod rca cable
Red wine V-dock ps
$2,150.00
This I swear is the truth or I'm not allowed to buy another RSA product!
Chew on that for a while
RSA ALO products are great and have tremendous re-sale value!
With that kind of profit...get yourself a true source.
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Trose is an asshat. He thinks his "special" hr2 which just adds a gain switch warrants such a price. He likes everything personalized and special, then when he sells them, he prices them the highest, believing everyone idolizes him and would pay extra for something he owned and something specially made for HIM.
Yes, and that is very disturbing to me. My Maxed PPA can definitely best his amp for much less. Back in 2004, the MPX3 6SN7 was compared favorably to the RSA Stealth and earned the Bluemoon Award from 6moon.com. I thought the Raptor was a lower model than Stealth...so what's so speacial about the Raptor. Trose49 probably generates serious cash flow for RSA at the moment.
Purk
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Elephas,
Nice very nice. When will you get your Supra XLR? Your headphones look great. BTW, send over your e-mail address and I will forward you a copy of the R10 Service Manual.
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I agree with the exception of me liking it.
The hornet is sold on options more then Sound, its a good sound but anything can be called good. if you want the RSa sound with those options being a must then thats it..
as far as where it stands with the rest of my RSA amps I would say its in last place. the m-mod made it better but not much enough. to be honest I publicly said before i think the hornet was produced with a different goal then the other amps from RSA. it came because people wanted charging and gain switches on the sr-71 that was before it.
I look at the portable amps and the home amps very differently from RSA, maybe i am biased in this view thinking portables are toy's and home amps are more serious.
finding a used xp-7 with power supply can be had for $300-ish range and hr-2's have been had for $400-ish range lots of times before, at this price they are a contender and a nice contender.
Remember one thing..
Billy,
I wish the XP-7 and HR-2 can be had for that price. However, Trose49 wants almost 900 dollars for his and someone else now want 780 for the HR-2. I can't recall seeing the HR-2 went below than $600 bucks. Personally, I think people are paying too much for portable amplifiers. When I want to do portable, I only take my DAP and my E500 and that's it. BTW, I like Ray's SR-71.
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My HE60 seems to be lost in the mail system some where. It has been 17 days, and it has yet to turn up. Looking good Elephas!!
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Vicky,
I hope you get your Diablo soon. The Diablo looks pretty amazing. Hope it as good as its look.
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From RSA's site:
Emmeline, "The PREDATOR"October 16th, 2007
Ray Samuels Audio is proud to announce its latest state of the art component:
Emmeline, The Predator?
The Predator, portable headphone AMP/DAC combo, is designed to drive all headphones with ease, it has much lower floor noise than that of the Hornet and the Tomahawk. We have implemented a Lithium Ion rechargeable battery in The Predator, giving it the longest run time, 6-7 days of playback at 8 hours per day on one full charge. The amp has a three position gain switch to handle all kind of headphones sensitivities, making it the amp that does it all. The sound quality? Will let you be the judge of that.
More info would be released soon. New extrusion is being designed and manufactured to our specs to be available at the time when the PREDATOR will be released. Ray Samuels
Another amp/dac combo for your portable applications.
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Ridiculous!
I think I need to hear someone else's R10 setup besides Hirsch's.
You should. The bassier pair of R10 can have pretty nice bass impact. -
R10...bass...R10......bass.....either I'm dreaming or I'm stuck in an alternate reality....
Nope it is real.....you probably have not heard the R10 in the right system yet.
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I've owned three R10's simultaneously (and previously owned a fourth), and so was able to compare versions directly. The one I had that was the most recent production had far more bass quantity than the two older ones. While it may be related to driver version rather than serial number, all three of the older R10's I've owned have had the same sound. It has less bass than the newer one, but a wider, yet more coherent sound stage. I'm very sensitive to staging, so the compressed stage of the newer R10 became the deal-killer, and when I decided to come back down to two of them, the newer one was the one to go. Note that I was talking quantity, not quality. The older R10's may not have as much bass, but it's very tight and well defined. You can hear the fingering of the string on a double bass, as opposed to bloated low frequency sound. If I absolutely need more bass, I can go to the HE90 (which does not have the precise image of the R10, although it's getting closer). The Qualia 010 is an odd one for me. Technically, run balanced out of the SDS-XLR, it may be the one headphone I've got that gets everything technically right. And yet, I've never really gotten into it just for the fun of listening to music. Hmmmm....
Thanks for stopping by Hirsch.
Send your amp in and get high voltage option. -
I dont think Sovkiller gets he wont be able to comment like in the past. From his statements he thinks he will be able to do what he has done all along because he is a member first ... imo. I guess we shall see.
\Earl,
Sadly he had done plenty of damage. I'm wondering if he has some of affiliation with Ultrasone or not.
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Mine's a later model of well. mikeg and I actually did a comparison of your pair and mine, and they sounded the same. Purk has done some pretty extensive reseach into R10s and he learned that the idea that later pairs are bass heavy and early pairs are the lighter version is false. There are actually three separate drivers (he showed me Sony documentation indicating same), so three versions of R10s are out there in the world. Here's where my memory may be faulty, but I'm pretty sure he told me that the suspected reason is that individual buyers in Japan could actually choose which sound they preferred. Pretty nice, huh?
Purk, come on in here with the real scoop, and I apologize if I mis-remembered anything.
Vickie,
I don't have any more information really in exception to that there might be 4 versions of drivers on the r10s, please don't ask me why b/c I have no answer to that. However, there should only be two types of sound associated with the R10s: Lighter bass R10 with better midrange, air, image, and soundstaging and a more bass output pair with smoother presentation and less analytical presentation. Icarium's and your pair are definitely the pair with more bass. I believe Hirsch has the lighter bass pair, which he prefers over the bassier pair. I like both of them equally. I also agree with Mikhail that the lighter bass pair will sound better than the bassier pair when the two are being driven with a maxed out SDS-XLR. Mikhail thinks that the lighter bass pair is sligthly more refined, and I totally agree. I believe Elephas feels the same way as he has both versions of the R10s.
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Dan,
Congrats on getting the R10 in your hand finally. I hope to hear more of your SDS+R10 vs. the SS-1 + Qualia.
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Well...the D5000 is definitely not my cup of tea. Too much bass, not anatural mids, and too forward souding and not that refined. I will take the a well amped HD600 over the Denon any day. The Denon D5000 is pretty similar to the Ed.9, but the Ed.9 is slightly better.
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http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/
Not a bad review but I wish the reviewer did a better job at reviewing the B-52 as a headphone amp rather than pre-amp. I'm wondering how well does the B-52 handle the R10, Qualia, and L3000.
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Jpak,
With the 6414 on the driver position and 6BL7gts the amp will be less tube and has very nice and upfront presentation. It is all about tube rolling really. The SDS is so transparent that you can change the sound by just switching the tube. The SDS can be very tubey or even very solidstate depending on the tubes.
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As you know I'm a big fan of the L3000's peculiar signature; I'm also a fan of pairing it up with an amp of similar sonic inclinations - that is warm, tubey, tons of bass impact. Call me crazy, but I've been preferring the HD650 & Qualia with the Zana, and the L3000 with the prototype SDS. The HD650 and Qualia can take on a whole new, gorgeously neutral character with the Zana, but the L3000 seems a little like its fighting its natural tendencies there. That's not to say it sounds mediocre on the Zana - in fact it sounds very, very good. It's just that when I'm slapping on the heavy metal or hard rock records, which typically means L3000, the music just flows a bit more naturally out of the SDS. Other music genres typically invoke HD650 or Qualia usage, so I'm not so familiar with how the L3000 pairing would go there. The SDS probably has an output impedance around 32 ohms and the Zana is around 16, so I personally wouldn't put a lot of emphasis on getting an amp with super low output impedance and the best technical specs.
Of course your tastes may well be different from mine - but for me, L3000 with a top-notch tubey sounding amp is bliss. I think purk agrees with me there - we had our first mini-meet when I had the L3000 and he had the only SDS; when we put 'em together we instantly knew that was a killer combo and it's stood the test of time over 2 years later (to be fair the Slam adaptors were a pretty necessary upgrade).
If you have the fund, I highly recommend the SDS. With all the tuberolling capabilities, the SDS can drive just about any headphone out there with surreal sense of power and refinement. Mike summed it up pretty well regarding the SDS and L3000.
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909 & KG,
Show us the pictures of that rivet amp? I would love to see one.
Thanks.
My HE60 seems to be lost in the mail system some where. It has been 17 days, and it has yet to turn up. 
You should. The bassier pair of R10 can have pretty nice bass impact. 
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Sennheiver HE90+HEV90 and following closely by SDS-SE+R10. Let's see how far can the ES-1 takes HE90.