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I had the opportunity to listen to them, and I was not that impressed by the sound. I've been told you need to live with them for a while to appreciate them, but personally, I don't want to have to adapt to my equipment, escpecially when there are so many items that are impressive from the start.
Can you elaborate why you were not impressed by the Ed.9?
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riceboy,
Thanks for reporting back on the Ed.9. I recently talked to Akzip and his opinion on the Ed.9 and mine are identical.
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I don't object to following the crowd as long as the crowd know what they're doing, promoting things for the right reasons (i.e. it sounds good) and backing it up with experience. Unfortunately HF has too many people promoting products as the best thing since sliced bread because they're lacking good reference points or have an axe to grind. I wouldn't claim to have experienced enough myself but I don't run around making wild statements about how my preferred gear is better than everything I haven't heard...that's something that is all too common on HF. I must admit I also have a healthy dislike for censorship on forums although in that regard I have seen much worse than Head-fi.
Oh, and welcome to Head-case Elephas.
I agree with what your are saying. For instance, what is the crazed about the imod and V-dock combo anyway? For the price (550 for iMod and another 550 for V-dock), you can get an Ihp-120 + Benhmark DAC for much better sound quality. Also..headfi has way too many fanboy. You can't comment negatively on a product any more. I was only beg to differ on the whole V-dock thing but the mod came in and comment that it is nice to have a new product.
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The W2002, L3000, and R10 get my vote. The best craftmanship is definitely goes to the R10 and L3000. The L3000 looks a lot nicer in person. The W11JPN is o.k. but not as well build or as nice as the W2002.
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how about a Yamamoto HA-02?
That amp should not be an upgrade to the HA5000 according to Agile_one. It might be slightly difference but not that much better.
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Elephas...I envy of your welcome thread.
See...I'm a newbie here as well. Joined 1.5 month ago. Plase do a search on "raptor" or find post posted by Kevin Gilmore to learn more about the Raptor. -
Well....I've been talking to Elephas and he was one of the first adopter of the Apache (he yet to receive the amp though), so we need to pursuade him to get rid of that amp and buy something else that can really give his R10s and L3000 a good amplification.
Elephas, don't get me wrong...but for the price you paid for that amp...you could have purchased a Single Power Supra or Extreme Platinum. Those amps can be configured to drive any headphone out there.
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Do we have a link to why the Raptor is overpriced? Might need to do the search myself.
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KenW,
Great advice. Pick the one that approve of your audio hobby.
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If you've got an HE90 and don't have an ES1, you're not done.
Hirsch,
Where is the manual that you promised me? (j/k)
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Yep...electro stat headphones are worth it if you want to build a system around them. I recently just got the HEV90+HE90 and the combo really impress the heck out of me. I think I'm done with this headphone thing.
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Iron_dreamer,
I don't think you will miss the Ed.9 as I think the L3000 is a better headphone all around especially in term of textured and tonality. The bass is the Ed.9 main strenght. I could see all the bass head really diging that headphones. I however, can't seem to get pass the midrange. It isn't that bad but the midrange is lacking the details and textured of the HD-650 when properly amped.
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Yeah...the Ed.9 place way too much emphasis on the bass which to me....too much. It's kindda interfere with the rest of the spectrum too. I also never get used to that S-Logic stuff. I wish I get to hear the GS-1000 but I don't think I'm missing out. IMO, the L3000's bass has much more of an organic feel with much better textured than the Ed.9's bass.
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I didn't think they were that great for hard rock/metal, either. Having natural tone & bass response is usually still a big plus for those generes. Unfortunately this isn't like 3 years ago, when the HP1000 could be had under $700 and a new L3000 for $1500. The Edition 9 is perfectly positioned to look like the prince of the current dynamic world, but really it doesn't do anything to elevate it above the far cheaper DX1000, HD650, possibly K701 and others. In fact I prefer the HD650, DX1000, and possibly K701 to the Ed 9 regardless of price. I feel pretty confident the Ed9 could compete with at least the HD600 and RS1, though
I was excited about them for a while because they sounded pretty damn decent (but not great) out of the box - from all the hype, I was expecting for them to transform and blossom after sufficient burn-in, ala L3000. First 20 hours came and went, then 300 and 350, a bit nicer but no major change - my issues with its main sonic quirks had not been addressed. Then I started to give up on them for good
Yeah...I see what you mean...but then again I don't really listen to a lot of rock; therefore, you have a better judgement. The thing is the UE9 just sound very weird on everything else in exception to rock. For example, I was enjoying their thumping bass but what else is to love? I mean seriously.....and now the whole headfi are in FOTM mode on the Ed.9 again. All you those Ed.9 has to do is to compare their beloved Ed.9 next to the a properly amped HD-650 or HP1000, PS-1, and L3000. Seriously, for what you paid for the Ed.9...you can buy the HP1000 for around that price and the HP1000 is a much more refined. (BTW, I really want to trash talk them...but I have to be polite on headfi.)
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Damn...I feel right at home. I've been waiting for some bashing thread of the UE9 for awhile. They sound good for rock but nothing else really for me. Too much raving of the UE9 on headfi right now and this really make me sick. I agree complete with timbre and their strange's presentation as well as recessed midrange.
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Just in the past week, there got to be more than seven or eight thread devoted to the Ed.9 and how special they are. When I had Mulveling's Ed. 9 (he now sold them) for three week they sounded very good over all for rocks but I found them unnatural due to their recessed midrange and the whole "S-Logic" presentation for other genres. If you are a rock and heavy metals fan, they are quite good, but for everything else they are not even as good as the Senn HD-650 w/ my Zu cable. I found the Ed.9's to be way over emphasis on bass and lack refinement in many areas in comparison to the L3000 and W2002 that I have on hand. What's your take on them? I'm quite curious. My impression of the Ed.9 was very similar to Mike but they seem to do no wrong on headfi right now. Again, they sound very good for rocks...but still rank behind the L3000, PS-1, HP-1000, HE90, and R10 and probably slightly better than the RS-1 for rock. I yet to see any L3000, PS-1, and HP-1000 owners are raving about them. What do you guys think?
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I have fairly small ears and the L3000 are perfect. The drivers don't physically touch any part of my outer ear.
The imaging on the L3000 is one of its strong points.
Yes...the image on the L3000 is definitely one of their best quality as well as their ability to be very forgiving and remain very musical in entry level gear.
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That's the ONE area I'd consider fairly consistent between the L3000/W11jpn/W2002/W5000/W10vtg...
They've all got that intimate feeling, medium-sized soundstage/headstage. Other than that, the sonic balance and quirks can be all over the place between various models.
And yeah, the pads are all the same with the exception of the W5000 (a bit bigger).
Mike,
I believe the W2002 and W5000 have slightly bigger soundstage than the L3000, W11JPN, and W10vtg.
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Yes, I'm ashamed to say I indulged my need for a spare L3000. Luckily I got both while they were still relatively affordable, back in summer '05. At least I'm not as bad as those R10 collectors/hoarders
The only other headphone I've owned two of at once was the W2002, and that didn't last long since I never listened to them.
Yeah...Mike has two pairs of L3000 and spare drivers. Damn you Mike!
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What is a W11JPN? It sounds like a name for a wireless router
Justin,
The W11JPN is the predecessor of the W2002 and L3000. It was released in 1998 as a limited run of 800. The lacquer finished is the same as the W2002's but darker. The size of earcups are also smaller than the W2002, W5000, L3000, and W1000. They sounds great and are very difficult to come by. Here is the pic of my old W11JPN, which is now belong to Agile_one.
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nice.....
Get yourself the W11JPN and W2002 man. Those wood finished are the best looking in the biz. The lacquer finished on the W11JPN is darker than the W2002 though. -
R10 and L3000 for all types of music for me. Couldn't be happier really. I get amazing bass response from my SDS-SE and my upgrade source really....so no complain here.
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Yeah, if I were to send it in, I'd also get the higher voltage mod for the 6BL7GTA/6BXGT/etc tubes. However, the thought of being without it for 2+ months, plus the shipping costs, plus the risk of shipping - has kept me from doing so. That's why I wanted to know if there was any special thing to the preamp outputs; otherwise a simple adapter will do fine by me.
Now the clicking mentioned by Dusty Chalk is more troubling. I haven't experienced that noise myself, but I have noticed that the DC offset from the SDS can be rather high (via ratshack meter) - with the current tubes it can get as high as +/-50 mV, though it usually cycles around and spends most of its time at lower levels. Certain "bad" tube sets will get it as high as 100mV though
The Sugden Headmaster stays within +/-5 mV DC, but of course it sounds leagues below the SDS With my new speaker rig being fairly spendy, I'd rather be safe than sorry, hence the motivation for this thread.
The thing is...you can keep pushing it off and you will never get anything done. Remember, the upgrade I got really maxed out my SDS. The only option I didn't do is the audionote caps. Although, it took awhile to get the work perfomred but I'm much more happy in the end. Your SDS and my SDS are almost identical, therefore one listen should tell you everything you want to know about SDS as a preamp. I have sent my SDS to Mikhail twice in the last 6 months, one for repair an another is for the upgrade....so bite the bullet and send it in. If you really curious, why don't just drop by and borrow my SDS for 2 or 3 days and check it out for yourself.
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Looking good Mike. Nice looking foamie in the back too. I really need to visit you and check out your new speaker.
See...I'm a newbie here as well. Joined 1.5 month ago. Plase do a search on "raptor" or find post posted by Kevin Gilmore to learn more about the Raptor.
The Sugden Headmaster stays within +/-5 mV DC, but of course it sounds leagues below the SDS
Which R10 should be recabled with a balanced cable?
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Yes...get the one with less bass recabled. Mikhail told me that a highend SP amps can really bring out the best in R10s. IMO, Mikhails slightly prefer the R10 with less bass than the one with more bass, b/c the less bass pair is more accurate sounding. It also has better seperation instrument, midrange, and air surronding recording.
Mike, why don't you join in a bit and answer some doubters here? Mike stopped by yesterday to listen to my setup HEV-90+HE90, SDS-SE w/ Both versions of R10s, and L3000. C'mon Mr. Ulveling.