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The test for me will be to see what others hear at Voltron's meet. But it will have to be in a quiet room, not under meet conditions.
We can do that after everybody leaves. Wait a minute, nobody is leaving. Uh oh!
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Maybe Todd would give you a loaner to take to MOA? If it's a good deal, he would be smart to do so.
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I'm not sure about the electrical theory behind burn-in with small components and their large caps, but I have heard monsterous differences in sound with Ray's, Cesar's, Mikhail's, and Tyll's amps...good or bad.
Cary and Bryston both insist in their documentation on a minmum of 100 hours of burn-in before evaluating their amps and Cardas and VPI ask for a minimum of 40 hours on their cables.
Bryston burns in their amps 100 hours before sending out them out (looking for catastrophic failure) and then offers a 20 year transferable warranty. So do Mikhail and Ray (sans the 20 year warranty).
I've been heavily into home audio since the mid '70's and can say without hesitation, that almost all good components I've bought in 30 years, sounded better as they "matured".
Feel free to jump down my throat now, I have a lozenge ready.
Hi Aaron. I'm not going to jump down your throat. I'm sure that all those components sounded better to you after they matured. I'm sure that a lot of burn in occurred.
Let's look closer in the case of a new amplifier. On one hand, you have a pretty simple electrical device that will change slightly over time. There just isn't much there that can change. On the other hand, you have the brain, which is processing the signal from the amplifier via some wire and a transducer. The brain is an extremely complex biochemical device. It is very flexible and adaptable. It shows almost constant change in how it works.
So over time, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of burn in is occuring in the brain and only a minute amount occurs in the equipment. Notice that this doesn't invalidate your belief that the equipment sounded better over time. It's just that your brain was doing most of the changing.
My favorite case of brain burn in is the experiment where a person was given given glasses that inverted all images. The subject had to wear the glasses during all waking hours. After several days, suddenly the images that the subject saw were right side up again. The brain had burned in a bit, eh? Then the glasses were taken away. Again images were inverted to the subject. Again after several days, the brain righted the images. I have to believe that similar experiments would show the brain doing interesting processing on aural input.
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Life was unlistenable out of the box!
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... I was really inclined to just ignore your post but lust like a good car crash I couldn't just walk away
Hey JP, I sure hope that this wasn't a freudian slip!
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I wonder if anyone will have one at Voltron's. I bet the Duet compares favorably to the Exemplar. Gene and maybe Al as well will have mac notebooks for the Duet. I will bring mine so there will be two.
Mike, if I drive I'll bring both my eXemplar Denon 2900 and a SACDMods Eastsound E5. If I fly, people will have to be happy with my iPod and AE-2. Of course, it's no longer a $1400 eXemplar. I had John Tucker put in the latest mods and now it's an $1850 eXemplar.
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the only true way of knowing if burn in works is to do what I have done in the past with the Hornet.
You mean ask Ray?
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while I am mac biased for home entertainment even a new mini 599, duet 500 750gb hard drive 250 is 1350 and I think this beats any 1350 cdp I have heard
Ah, but does it beat a $1400 eXemplar Denon 2900???
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Nope, no court today. Sitting around the office in jeans. Went home for a long lunch to check out the Apogee Duet. I felt he was whinning. He says he knows nothing of Jude, feels it's childish for Jude to not permit the mention of HC when there are many here who may not agree but recognize as to why he would take that position. Neither he nor I have any idea on what Jude makes from the site or how much he lost in the past and he decided to take his ball an go home. Beside, I've had the pic for a while and have been waiting for the opportunity to use it. If others disagree, I respect that.
I thought that your first response was appropriate. He then backed off a lot on his response. You escalated after that with the crying baby image. That was a bit much, don't you think?
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Great name Vicki. Pets always seem to name themselves.
You might want to check if your vet has recently changed hands. If so, you may want to search for a new vet. Also, there is no reason for shots anymore. Our vet uses nose drops for all vaccinations. They are a little more expensive than shots, but it's easier on the animal and doesn't have the cancer risk that shots have. So you also may want to find a vet (they may do it on request) that does nosedrops instead of shots.
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Of course it makes sense..
if my Dj on Friday night was on the mic telling people to visit the other bar he works at on Thursday night I would have his balls in my hands shortly. why? cause not only is he hurting my Thursday night Business but if my customers go there and see the other Bar is a shit hole I look bad, or something happens to them there then i feel bad..etc...etc
now what if the other bars owners where Banned from my bar? holy shit..I would have my dj's future sons balls in my hand!
whats my point?
the point is...
GOOD STUFF!!!!!
This isn't a good analogy. I understand that Jude's "employees" can't or at least shouldn't be doing it. A better one analogy would be if one of your customers told another customer that he also liked the bar down the street and that he should check it out. Would you then tell him to shut up or throw him out for that?
I think Tyll's approach is better. He's not trying to grow or protect his piece of the pie. He's trying to grow the pie so that he gets a bigger piece. Others do too. Almost everybody here also is a member at Head-Fi. What "business" would he lose by allowing references to this forum. None that I can see. It appears to be much more of a personal thing. Personal things have no place in business.
Edit: I see that Chekhonte and I saw the error in your analogy at the same time.
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i see... how do i get in contact with "Nate"
Easy. You've been admiring his work on the M3 rebuild in the DIY forum.
my OMZ doesn't look half bad all cased up with its shiny black face plate and big gold plated RCAs... not sure what sonic improvements would come about but come ooooon, how can you say no to a face like this
I'm not sure I could say "no". But I can't speak for Nate.
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As for the workmanship, it was I who installed it, as for pricing, according to the latest pricing on his website he charges USD$459 + shipping for a complete unit where he supplies the DAC.
You know, if you can give a good sob story to Nate, he'll rebuild it for you. If your story is really good, he might even recase it.
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Sometimes on HF you'll see references to "the site that must not be named". That site is HC. If you try to put "head-case" in a message, the checker won't let you do it. If somehow you are able to reference HC, that message quickly gets deleted. Jude has insisted that this site not be mentioned and that nobody publicize HC using HF resources. I don't understand why (even knowing the history), but HF is his site and he can run it anyway he wants.
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Happy Birthday guys!
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Our three cats all respond to their names and come when I call or whistle (about 90% of the time). They were brought up this way and I don't remember it ever taking very long for them to figure it out.
Considering how this cat has adopted you, how about "Buddy" as a name?
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I'm not sure if I was around for the original airings, but I was aware of Happy Days as well as the Dukes of Hazzard, TJ Hooker, CHiPs, MASH, Dallas, Falcon Crest, and watched episodes for all of those shows (Dallas and Falcon Crest were my mom's shows, but since we only owned one TV at the time it was that or nothing.)
Did you get to see "WKRP in Cincinnati"? That was another great series.
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how dare you criticize my poll! you have no idea how much time it took me to come up with and post this poll (~7 minutes inbetween customers).
Please note that you do have the option to remove your vote and revote however, so if you are swayed by any of the worthy arguments in this thread or you have a change of heart or spiritual vision, you can change your vote.
Too much work. Since these are for imaginary head-casers, I'll be casting imaginary votes from here on in.
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No votes yet for Mike34. I'd like to remind everyone how instrumental Michael was in organizing the something or other at the blah blah pasta
I would, but this stupid poll will only let me vote once. What's up with that?
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...even caught some episodes of Jonie Loves Chachi too
Damn! That means that you must have missed "Happy Days", from whence "Joanie Loves Chachi" spun off. It was a great show.
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Depends on what your definition of "is" is.
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Hello Off-Topic Forum-
... and ray samuels came out with a new amp/dac combo called "The Predation".
I thought it was called the "Depredation"! I guess that I'm going to have to start paying attention.
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Happy New Year! Hopefully I'll get to meet some of you characters at MOA.
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Oh come on. Everybody knows that commercial manufacturers have magic solder that makes their equipment sound much better. Of course, only after it has been burned-in!