tyrion

I could not disagree with you more, other than your statement about the world turning it's back on human rights violations all too often and that we need to look forward. Clinton was in office 33 days when the first WTC attack occurred. He caught those responsible and they are now in prison. Fighting terrorism needs to return to being a law enforcement issue first, imo. Bush was in office for 9 months and had a briefing August 6, 2001 before that said the Bin Laden was going to strike and hijackings were a possibility. However, I wasn't necessarily blaming Bush for 9/11 but the argument can be made.

Isn't that just great.

I'm happy your Iraqi Kurdish friends don't mind that 100,000 innocent Iraqis are dead because we invaded Iraq.

On a lighter note: [ame=http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive]Obama Win Causes Obsessive Supporters To Realize How Empty Their Lives Are | The Onion - America's Finest News Source@@AMEPARAM@@http://www.theonion.com/content/xml/89632/video@@AMEPARAM@@89632[/ame]

I've argued the Iraq war here too many times. To suggest that it was in anyway a good thing is absurd. Many thousands of innocent Iraqis died. Thousands of soldiers died and thousands more wounded. I know war is hell but it's even worse when that war didn't have to happen. Aardvark, are you young enough to serve? If you are and think it's such a great thing, get your ass out there and fight it. And if you really think Bush and his buddies are innocent despite all we've learned to date, which is the tip of the iceberg since the Republicans blocked almost every attempt to investigate the basis for the war. Let's not forget that 9/11 occurred 9 months into Bush's presidency but no one wants to blame him for letting that happen. If it were a dem, the rep would have impeached and then tar and feathered him. As to the housing market. This is from 10/02: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW9viaJatpo]YouTube - economic crisis president bush mortgage speech[/ame] Then there is the Enron Loophole courtesy of Phil Gramm and the SEC changing the Net Capital Rule which was changed in '04 which may have led to the investment bank failures.

What is it that he Bush has done that would cause historians to forget about the bad stuff and judge him kindly over time?

I feel a revolution coming. Viva HR Desktop Sale!

Al, where are you buying this stuff from?

Let's celebrate with an even better HR sale, desktop amps and preamps on sale.

Exit polling suggests that 10% of Republicans voted for Obama and 10% of Democrats voted for McCain. I imagine we will have more conclusive evidence at some point.

I think there are a lot of people (Republicans) that voted of Obama on Tuesday that would beg to differ. Not uncomfortable at all. I enjoy arguing and in particular arguing about politics. I am just trying not to:horsey:

Not me, you answered my question so I am done.

What exactly is your point? Did you vote for Bush the last two elections? If so, are you proud of those votes or do you regret them? Do you really believe that John McCain would be a better leader of this country right now? If the answer to all of the above is yes or if you voted for Bush and are proud of those votes I will move on as there is obviously nothing I can say that could possibly have any credibility to you.

My family all watch it and are enjoying it, in particular Walter.

I was only addressing you calling it socialism, nothing more. I am going to be paying those higher taxes so I would love to get to the point where they can possibly be lower but I'm more than willing to pay the small amount extra on the chance it will do some good. We can argue about taxes all day long, I was addressing the comment that somehow it is socialism what he is doing. When McCain was arguing against Bush's tax cuts and that the middle class should get a cut in '00 was he a socialist? We've had welfare in different forms for a long time. Under Republicans and Democrats. I'm still unclear on the tax cut those that don't pay taxes are going to get. If you listen to the interaction, Obama showed nothing but respect for Joe and his question. His answer in no way could be described as advocating socialism. I wasn't demonizing him although I think he was way over his head and full of shit.

You want to compare that single misstatement to Palin's fundamental lack of understanding of 3rd grade geography. Such as whether Africa is a continent, whether South Africa is just a part of the country of Africa. Also, what countries make up North America. What countries are part of NAFTA. What is the Bush doctrine (she had no clue what Gibson was asking). Do you really doubt that Obama knows the number of the states based upon that one incorrect statement? It isn't even in the same league as Palin. Then of course the allegations that Palin was responsible for the shopping spree and even had aides put more money on their credit cards. I don't believe Newsweek would go with this story if they didn't have the back up but I'm willing to wait to see what comes out when the RNC audits it's books. Have you heard the entire interaction between Obama and Joe "the alleged" Plumber on this subject. Raising taxes for one and lowering them for another has been going on for a long time. It is not socialism. Are you talking about giving a tax break for those that make too little to pay taxes? Please explain. Are you referring to a tax credit being given to people that make too little to pay taxes? Those making under $200,000 that will get a tax reduction. Those over $250,000 will pay an additional 3% on the amount over $250,000, the same tax rate they paid under Clinton. The same rate paid before Bush decided to give that same group a tax break hoping it would trickle down to the rest of the economy.

I don't need a test.

I'm not so sure it's PJ is the one that is naive although the comment about kissing a child on the cheek means you are learning.

Billy it's easy to call you a jackass because what you said was racist no matter what spin you want to put on it.

Maybe if those that are religious and want me to have abide by their beliefs were more tolerant it would be easier to share the country with them. It is true, you don't have to believe in god to want to forbid gay marriage but it is that claim to be religious that seem to lead the charge in the name of religion.

My problem is when the religious views of politicians find it's way into legislation which then forces those religious beliefs on those that do not believe.

You can practice your religion all you want in your home, your church without affecting me. If I weren't tolerant, I would suggest that religion has no place in society and discuss how silly it is that people spend so much time and money on a bunch of fairy tales. I would never take away your right to practice your religion but when your religion begins to affect my rights and those of others, I draw the line. An example is religion deciding who can and can't marry, adopt or be foster parents. I see what a great job heterosexuals have done at all of the above. Maybe it's time to give those not heterosexual a chance. I bet they do a better job. Who do I hate, please let me know.

This may be the dumbest thing I've seen you post. You truly are a jackass.

Why is someone being excluded? Isn't the meet called ChiUNIFI? If Ray or anyone else can't handle another member showing up then that is their problem.