Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 My ass is getting very sore sitting on this fence. Need some help sorting out the technical advantages, design features of these two. I currently have a 2ch B22, once upon a time I had a HeadAmp Reference single ended. That said, it was a long long time ago and while the B22 decimated the Concerto I wonder how it compares on paper to the dynamid, GS-X specifically? I listen at low levels, 70dB is loud for me. So on paper, how does the dynamid compare to the b22? Slew rate, noise, all that jazz. Maybe Ti and Kevin can chime in? Side question, given I listen at unity gain at best, are the advantages of going balanced pretty much moot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 If you listen at 70dB I wouldn't bother with either. Sure, you get twice the slew rate (or some such nonsense) but you also probably more than double the cost, get more gain out of your source (more than likely) that you don't want to begin with, etc, etc. If you want to spend money wisely find a better attenuator for your 2ch beta22 and invest in ways to lower its noise floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 You built it... any suggestions It has a Alps Black right now I think. Was suggested I ground the case. Could use some feet and some loctite too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Ah, didn't see that, I can't keep track of these things anymore. In that case, which one is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Rack mount case, 2ch, centre mount trs, speakers posts, 2 se inputs, black velvet, gain of 5 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Ah, the old one. I'm not sure what someone is trying to say by "ground the chassis", I'd swear that the chassis is grounded on that amp and that it has a ground loop breaker in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 That looks about right. Things were a whee loose when I got it but nothing a screwdriver and pliers didn't fix. Plan on using some loctite so I don't have to have another go at it The other site used a link back to that photo for the sale. When it was finished did it go out with black screws? The gent who made the suggestion was talking sight unseen. Was bugging him about it picking up Blackberry cell noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Can you confirm the gain and whether this one has the short the amp puff of smoke feature when removing/inserting trs slowly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 I think that's a standard feature on B22s, which is why I'm going integrate a muting switch into the TRS jack when I finish mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 1. No clue on the gain, been way too long. Check amb's site and look at the boards, it only takes 2 resistor values to know for sure. 2. It'll puff like every other beta with a TRS jack on it if abused, use it with caution is about the best advice that I can give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 how about a 3-channel B22 . or can i become the resident F5 fanboi and recommend the F5 for HPs and FR speakers? throw me a bone, i've not heard the JH13 that everyone is "raving" about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Just wondering did they make logarithmic Black Velvet pots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Good news is I only have one can so... its not a huge issue for me. Anything I should avoid hitting with loctite? Thanks guys, nice to know I'm "done" once I get some feet on it for now at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 1. No clue on the gain, been way too long. Check amb's site and look at the boards, it only takes 2 resistor values to know for sure. 2. It'll puff like every other beta with a TRS jack on it if abused, use it with caution is about the best advice that I can give. i've never had an issue with my K702/K271/K240DF by only turning down the volume and pulling out with my Switchcraft TRS jacks. i prefer Switchcraft plugs as well. Neutriks i've used are a bit more "soft" and "smooth" wrt to insertion/removal. the gain shouldn't make the B22 more "puffable" or not - it's a current draw issue with shorting the outputs. btw, a Black Beauty alone is near worth 1/2 the cost of the amp. i have again of x8. with my 600ohm K240DF i can hit 3'oclock easily, but i listen at 80-85dB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Just wondering did they make logarithmic Black Velvet pots? i assumed they were all log pots as they were intended for "hi-fi use". linear pots are less common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solude Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Huh, with the LCD-2 I sit at 9 o'clock for 70dB. My source is pretty hit though. It specs at 1.4V but given I could only use the first 4 steps on my KGSS... its likely higher. Curious what I would measure at 12. Anyway gain was more curiosity. If its something huge, I can drop it to get more swing. Which is admittedly not much of an issue for pot. So used to having a DACT and needing the gain to match my listening preference to make it usable. Good to know about the BB, guess I be keeping her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 i assumed they were all log pots as they were intended for "hi-fi use". linear pots are less common. I guess I only caught them at the end of their production, the Ebay sellers only had linear pots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Just wondering did they make logarithmic Black Velvet pots? Yup, I used several of them. The audio taper versions sold out a good few years ago so all you see now is the occasional linear taper. Even as recent as a couple years ago the audio taper versions were only $50 or so shipped from Germany. It's a pity that no one used them when they were available and Alps decided to kill them. And Solude, I'd use loctite on everything depending on which type you got. The types that I use don't require herculean strength to break, but do resist shipping and movement very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Huh, with the LCD-2 I sit at 9 o'clock for 70dB. My source is pretty hit though. It specs at 1.4V but given I could only use the first 4 steps on my KGSS... its likely higher. Curious what I would measure at 12. Anyway gain was more curiosity. If its something huge, I can drop it to get more swing. Which is admittedly not much of an issue for pot. So used to having a DACT and needing the gain to match my listening preference to make it usable. Good to know about the BB, guess I be keeping her i would only change the gain if you're having noise issues. i have a very faint white-noise at gain of x8 with my less efficient K702 but zilch noise for my K240DF. unlike your B22, my B22 is not totally shielded in aluminum, with walnut wrap around chassis. the noise issues with a B22 are real - the B22 amplifies everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yup, I used several of them. The audio taper versions sold out a good few years ago so all you see now is the occasional linear taper. Even as recent as a couple years ago the audio taper versions were only $50 or so shipped from Germany. It's a pity that no one used them when they were available and Alps decided to kill them. Plenty of gear used the RK40's, even the quad version but most high end gear had moved on after 2000 to chips plus the whole home cinema BS. TKD still makes high end pots since most of them are for Pro use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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