Dusty Chalk Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Okay, now you're just being cranky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I don't think so, since it's not a new dislike. I gave him a LOT of chances, and dollhouse was really the only thing he did I was ever much of a fan of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yes. "bad acting" "bad writing" -- he's like the opposite of those things (well, technically he's not the opposite of bad acting, but you get my meaning). I mean, I realize it's all just opinion, but there's a general consensus of what bad acting is. I mean, even fucking Sara Michelle Gellar -- of whom I'm not the hugest fan -- played at least three different parts in the show (Buffy, Buffy-bot, and, in the final season, The First). At no point does anyone wonder which part she is playing when she appears. And you're making it sound like the entire second half of Dollhouse was badly written, which I know for a fact that you did not feel that way at the time. (Yes, that episode -- the one you said was the best written -- was second season.) And don't even get me started on Firefly/Serenity. Who are you, and what have you done with Dan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 true, the first few episodes of the second season of dollhouse were good. As to the rest, well, we can just disagree. I'm not a fan of firefly or buffy, even tho I wanted to be, and tried really hard to like both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emelius Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 hmph...my sister wrote an episode of Dollhouse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I hope she wrote one of the good ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 That's what you said, that she wrote the best one. Or rather, the best written one. And also: would a "hack" director go through great pains to make a set life-size? That's what Firefly was. It was one set, in two pieces, so that there would be no inconsistencies in terms of multiple levels &c. So yeah, I stand by 'cranky'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 That's what you said, that she wrote the best one. Or rather, the best written one. And also: would a "hack" director go through great pains to make a set life-size? That's what Firefly was. It was one set, in two pieces, so that there would be no inconsistencies in terms of multiple levels &c. So yeah, I stand by 'cranky'. Sure, directing isn't about set building, it's about getting your actors to act. That's why George Lucas is a terrible director despite how awesome the sets for Star Wars were. You hire a script girl to watch for continuity errors. Dollhouse did have great sets too tho. Maybe even the best part of that show, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I stand by, 'cranky'. The set was just an example, but I stand by that it was a good example -- he made sure the set was the way it was, because not only did he want continuity, but he wanted the actors to sincerely feel and convey the sense of claustrophobia, lived-in-ness, home-y-ness, AND ETC. that having a life-size set would give. And speaking of continuity -- the reason Whedon's shows were so swarming with continuity was BECAUSE OF HIM -- he's the one who made sure that incidents that happened in season one of Buffy were echoed in season 7. And that contradictions occurred when it was appropriate due to the growth of the character (sleeping with Spike...oops, sorry, SPOILER). One of my absolute favourite moments when it comes to acting (of all time, television or movie) happened towards the end of the episode, "Fool for Love" (of Buffy), right after Buffy tells spike, "it'll never be you. You're beneath me." Spike transitions from shocked, to sad, to angry, in one fell swoop. I can't imagine how many takes it took to get that right, but if Whedon were a hack, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble (and even if he didn't direct the episode, he still oversaw it) to get that performance out of Marsters. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted August 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 As to the rest, well, we can just disagree. I'm not a fan of firefly or buffy, even tho I wanted to be, and tried really hard to like both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Yeah, but then you keep sayin' stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted August 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I will grant that Joss Whedon is a particularly skilled Producer/Executive Producer/Story Consultant. He has great ideas. I've just never personally experienced a situation where I'm aware he was directing that resulted in a particularly well acted and cohesive performance from a cast. It's certainly possible that that episode of Buffy was his American Graffiti, and then he later spun into obsessing about details rather than about crafting a great story and getting terrific performances from his cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Slight revival. Sons of Anarchy has yet to fail me. Five seasons in and getting stronger as we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naamanf Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Slight revival. Sons of Anarchy has yet to fail me. Five seasons in and getting stronger as we go. Agree. It's getting crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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