mike1127 Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Has anyone here built a line-filter/power-conditioner kind of thing using RFI suppression capacitors? K Works makes something like that, the K Works Silencers, but I discovered that they don't use X2/Y2 rated safety capacitors, which you need if you don't want to kill someone via electric shock or fire. I want to build my own using safety capacitors. For "across the line" capacitors you need X2 class. This will not catch fire and generally will just trip a fuse if they fail. For "hot to ground" and "neutral to ground" you need Y2 class. These are guaranteed not to short. They are self-healing and will open if they completely fail. One might like to use a lot of capacitance, but Y2 capacitors are available at most 4700 pF. On the other hand, X2 capacitors can be obtained up to 10 uF. This stuff can be ordered in qty 1 from Mouser. Any comments welcome. Mike Arcotronics / Kemet Film Suppression Capacitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlSeibert Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 This "DIY Hydra" Power Conditioner on 10 Audio might be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1127 Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 This "DIY Hydra" Power Conditioner on 10 Audio might be useful. Thanks. It looks like a simple project produced good results! The essence of that project is a set of "across the line" noise-suppression capacitors. I imagine it could be improved by adding "line to ground" capacitors, although for safety reasons those are only available in small sizes (4700 pF is the largest). I wonder if ferrites could help, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 You could also take a look at John Risch's filter on audioasylum. I think DIYcable used to offer a kit for it; not sure if they still do or not. Personally, I'd just buy a Brickwall and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 It's much easier to just modify the existing power supplies in your various components. Once you do that, the only thing you might look at is a nice isolation transformer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currawong Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I was looking at the DIY Hydra today. Does anyone know specifically what capacitors they are? Are these the right ones? In case that link fails for some reason: Mouser Part #: 667-ECQ-U2A474KV Manufacturer Part #: ECQ-U2A474KV Manufacturer: Panasonic Description: Suppression(Snubber) Film Capacitors .47uF 250V 10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 The Vishay noise suppression capacitors that he discusses (from Mouser) are a Vishay part number F17104101000 and should be these. Referenced in this text in the article: For internal wiring of the "DIY Hydra" project, I used 12 gauge cryo treated wire from VH Audio. I purchased the Vishay noise suppression capacitors ($2.31 each) and Littlefuse varistors ($1.13 each) from Mouser Electronics. Let the games begin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBel84 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I built the hydra some time ago and still use it in my headphone rig. I also built a larger filter box which I used to run out of my autotransformer - I will see if I can find the link for the plans, it is a simpler version of the John Risch's one mentioned by Pars ..dB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBel84 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Ok it seems that the web server for that DIY site is history. It was called Triode Systems and had a lot of good information on it back in the day. I did have a few of the layouts saved on my harddrive so I will attach them here. The basic idea is a small steel chassis with an AC line in and several AC line outs. Internally there are 2 industrial grade line supressors. They recommended Roxburg units as it was a British web site but I used locally sourced medical grade units ( can't recall the name but I can open the box if people find this info critical ) . Two options for layout are recommended as follows: or It works and I convinced myself that I heard a difference at the time, probably because of all the effort I put into making it ..dB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currawong Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Thanks for that info. That'll give me another thing to experiment with. Some people seem to reckon that regular power filters have a negative effect on audio gear. I found plenty of medical grade filters here. I am thinking of building two boxes, one with the regular filters, and one with "audiophile grade" parts, OFC wire etc. and the filter caps, to see what effect each has. At the very least, if it doesn't benefit my gaer, the regular filter box can be used with my computer, as it is somewhat sensitive to lights being switched on and off (causing it to wake from sleep/standby). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Some people seem to reckon that regular power filters have a negative effect on audio gear. I've heard that from people before. I asked them how or why, and to prove it beyond anecdotal "oh wow, it totally threw a blanket over the speakers", and they shut up pretty freaking quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwood Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 they shut up pretty freaking quick. That doesn't sound like any audio junkie I've ever heard of. Moreover, Birgir is staunchly in the "no power filter" camp -- I'm sure he could provide you with some solid reasons why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Moreover, Birgir is staunchly in the "no power filter" camp -- I'm sure he could provide you with some solid reasons why. They aren't needed if there isn't anything to filter. There is so much gear in our homes now which pumps switching noise back onto the mains which why we need filters now but not 30 years ago. Run your audio system on a dedicated line and there isn't anything to filter out. If any of my gear has a switching supply then I run it through an isolation transformer but no filters anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 In an ideal world, sure. But I've never seen a convincing argument that a filter actually hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 It likely doesn't but team overkill doesn't use filters where something much more drastic/expensive/moar awesome can be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwood Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Like the PS Audio P1200? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlSeibert Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Like the PS Audio P1200? That would qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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