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#1 kevin gilmore

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:21 PM

So for whatever reason a number of different projects are coming together at the same time.

This is the latest.

http://gilmore.chem.....edu/kgsshv.jpg

Its the high voltage version of the kgss with higher voltage pnp transistors, a cascode current
source for the 3rd stage, the lsk389 part (or singles) and much higher voltage output transistors.
The result is something that runs on +/-500 volt power supplies, and is as close as i know how
to do to the T2. (except fully solid state, and easy to build)
The transistors that go on the heatsinks are already insulated, which makes that part easy.
Not a lot more money than an exstata, and much better sound.

So do i make it a single box, Do i make it a two box affair with the power supply in a seperate
box... What are people interested in??
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:41 PM

I'm extremely interested in hearing one! :)

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:42 PM

Dual box but then you already knew that... :D


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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:43 PM

Dual box would be easier to ship, I would think. They could go in separate boxes if they got too overengineered.
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:46 PM

So krell style matched pair with heatsink on the left side for the amp, and on the right side for the power supply ?? :D

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:49 PM

What would be the advantage of one box over two or visa versa? Also, I'm with Stretch in that I'd just love to hear it. CanJam preview?
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:51 PM

No way CJ preview. No box for the amp. NO BOX FOR THE POWER SUPPLY.
1 killovolt flying around with enough energy storage to kill.

Sort of like the BHSE prototype i have, only much more dangerous.

I'm not going to even supply pictures because i do not want to encourage
this kind of behaviour. :D

The company supplying insurance for the meet would probably go non-linear.

Overengineered? I would never do such a thing.
Headphone amps are supposed to weigh at least 50 lbs right?

Edited by kevin gilmore, 20 May 2010 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:55 PM

They don't gotta know. And who insures at RMAF? There's some insane things going on at that show, if I'm thinking of the right one.

And couldn't you rewire it (I.E. add resistors in crucial places) so that it travels effectively discharged, and then take the resistors out when you get there?
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 06:00 PM

Running it open would be the main issue here. "No touching of the pretty LEDs!!!!!!!!!!!"

Having the heatsinks on either side is a neat idea and would look great with the amp placed on a single shelf instead of being stacked.


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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:41 PM

Your house must look like a production line atm =)
My half finished kgss is having serious confidence issues...

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:51 PM

2 boxes it is

http://gilmore.chem....u/kgsshvamp.jpg

board is 11.0 x 6.975 inches designed to fit in a box 11.2 x 7.0 inches inside with
.25 thick front and rear panels.

i have the dact in there as the pot because the rk50 would cost more than the rest
of it combined.

power supply hopefully the same exact size.

What other pot should i add...


I have actually cleaned up the house a serious amount...
All i have left is 30 of the heatsinks. Soon i will be taking those to
work. All the T2 chassis parts will be packaged and leave from work.
So no more 600+ lbs of aluminum stashed everywhere.

You can swap out the parts on your KGSS to turn it into the high voltage version.
You can leave the resistors at the top of the 3rd stage, or build the current sources
on addin boards... The original kgss design is TEN years old... maybe a bit more.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:09 PM

Are all 30 heatsinks taken? If not... Either way, I'd be up for stuffing one whenever you're ready.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:50 PM

The heatsinks are the rest of the heatsinks for the T2's. All gone.

Because this thing is going to be less than 12 inches, standard heatsinks should be available, and without
all the extra machining...

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 11:38 PM

You can swap out the parts on your KGSS to turn it into the high voltage version.
You can leave the resistors at the top of the 3rd stage, or build the current sources
on addin boards... The original kgss design is TEN years old... maybe a bit more.


So I could build one of these with the set of boards from Justin I have on order?

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 01:25 AM

What other pot should i add...

Output impedance to fine tune impedance matching?
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#16 kevin gilmore

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:56 AM

Yes you can certainly change the part values and add the current sources as outboard devices on justin's board.
In fact that is exactly what my prototype is. Power supply is obviously different.

The pot i was talking about was the input pot. Something that is available. Like the rk25, or some such, because
evidently the rk50 is soon to be discontinued.

Starting on the schematic now.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:23 AM

Even if all the devices on the heat sinks are on one side only I'd still do a symmetric chassis with heat sinks on both sides.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:53 AM

first cut at the schematic

http://gilmore.chem.....edu/kgsshv.pdf

The boards definitely will fit together in one chassis

http://gilmore.chem....u/kgsshvamp.jpg

http://gilmore.chem....du/kgsshvps.jpg

depending on the thickness of the transformer which will mount to the back panel
i'm pretty sure that if you do it as one box, it sends up 14 across by 11 deep with
1 inch between the 2 boards.

I might have to make it a bit longer to accomidate the transformer.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:01 AM

The RK27 is a dreadful pot so either those pots which you should receive soon or the TKD 4CP-601. The TKD is tiny so perhaps better for a tiny balanced desktop amp?

Edited by spritzer, 21 May 2010 - 10:08 AM.



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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:06 AM

Need the layout diagrams for any/all pots...




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