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You'd better use it, the mustache and also sun glasses. You won't like any significant other recognizing you.

BTW don't we have any mate in Germany who can assault Sennheiser's and send a few HD800s around?

More or less, but only after you've used them to rob a bank and we share the booty. I want a pic of you with the HD800, rubber nose and moustache on.

I'd like to order one, but the Spanish distributor still isn't accepting orders. I'd order them to Headroom, but I find quite silly paying shipping and customs for a product that being made in the EU shouldn't have those additional charges. However if I could get them sooner doing so... I'm definitely going nuts.

One of the amps he builds? OMG

Honestly, I for one I can't care less if this is a price ceiling or bottom. We have a product which has SOTA aspirations, and has a price point. This was the price the PS-1 sold new in Germany (more or less), it is a bit more expensive than GS-1000 in Europe, and a bit above competitors statement products prices. All gets reduced to know if the HD800 is a good value for its price, even if its performance is beyond the price compared to similarly priced products. What comes after... who knows. Maybe Senn releases another SOTA product in five years, or in six months AKG is releasing a USD2000 statement headphone. I don't think this should affect the true performance of the HD800 nor its perceived and real value. Maybe more people listen to the HD800 and come to agree that it's a big step into the right direction, but still can be improved. Would that mean it should cost less? I don't think so.

So that's the thing he bought with all the money harvested from his customers waiting for a product delivery Now I understand he has no cash for repairs and builds... Does anybody know if M has a bipolar disorder? Such behavior is truly suggesting.

Seal - Soul [2008]

You don't get perfect seal with the R10 for the quite low clamping pressure of the headband. For my head and ears, for other people this can be different, of course. New pads are thicker and place the driver about 1/4" further from the ear canal entrance than aged pads. That makes a difference in the subjectively perceived roll-off in the bass. On new pads I need to add manually some extra pressure to get a decent bass response. Without that extra pressure I think the roll-off starts at about 120Hz (for male vocal formants) and for sure is at about 10 or 15 dB below at 40Hz. With that extra pressure, so new pads get flatter and more like the used ones. In this case I think the roll off in bass starts at about 70-80dB and probably at 40Hz you are between -6 to -10dB. I'm not sure about the treble roll-off. My subjective impression is that the cans must have some enhancement around 8KHz compared to the high midrante at 1KHz. Above 12-15KHz they're probably rolled off, but nothing that annoys me. In fact I tend to prefer transducers with some roll-off above 12-15 KHz than the ones being flat or enhanced at those frequencies. I am very interested in correlating these findings with actual measurements, but looks like I'll have to wait for my technician friend having the spare time to do so

That's it, having some measurements under the scope of being comparable to other phones and being repeatable, is quite useful. Do you remember at what frequency started the treble and bass roll-off? Do you remember how much clamping pressure did you use between the can and the dummy ear? Did you perform several measurements at different clamping pressures? Apart from amplification, I've found that the bass light R10 change a lot their frequency response depending on placement and above all, the ear-driver distance. Their sound changes drastically between used pads and a set of new ones.

What I find most difficult in your case is determining if the bass issues are the only concern you eventually might wish to take care of. Were it the only point, therefore it's important knowing if those problems are just a matter of lack of power, room integration -which comprises speaker placement and room acoustic treatments-, damping factor, speakers' character, personal preference or even are related to specific recordings. I suppose the sensible way to face this is trying to measure your room-speakers' response, but that's difficult and needs some specific gear and skills. You might try to place the speakers in different places into your room to see if you can getter a more satisfying bass, than assessing if there are other issues in the sound which aren't of your liking. I'd try any of those before spending bucks blindly on new amplifiers, however I've gone that route before to learn things the hard expensive way So, were you to get an integrated amp to grab your speakers from their bottom, maybe a good and yet affordable recommendation would be getting a used Krell 300i or 300iL, even a 500i. Those aren't expensive nowadays and were that not the solution to your problems, they can be sold again easily without much loss. Maybe it's not a final solution, but you might learn a few things by trying it.

I can agree that Dreadhead's measurements may not be kosher and his measurements system is "clearly improvable", however, as far as he had measured a few phones and we could take his results under the scope of comparison terms to other well known phones, having cans measured won't harm. IMO if he posted his graphs of the R10 and we could compare them to his measurements of HD6xx, K701 and other popular phones, it'd be interesting to me so far.

I guess it was in Bilbao, I can't recall any Spanish city named Balboa... Interesting recording though

Nice toy Mike. Enjoy it!

I think the R10 measure far from flat, but for sure not in the same crappy way that those Phart-on do.

LOL I'd never take that hassle just to be able to charge a few bucks more. Were I to sell them, I'd leave them "as is". However I could investigate the "letraset" thing I commented you in the other thread.

That's why ask it, what I read was that it came in a case looking as Sony SA-5000's but I have no idea how's that.

Santana - Santana [1969-2008 Mofi reissue] The disc is a loan from a friend. I've been listening to it with different phones. Amazing how it sounded almost dark and uninvolving on the HP-2 (still puzzling my mind why, really, not kidding) and truly amazing on the bass-lite R10.

BTW has anybody seen pics of the box those things come inside? Is it a case or just a fancy box?

I completely agree. They should have released and flooded the market with Edition 8s weeks ago in order to compete with Sennheiser. I'm afraid they are going to convert the limited Edition 8 into the Very very limited edition 8 Sennheiser has always been a very serious company offering great quality worth every penny you spend. Maybe their IEMs are the exception, those IE8 and IE7 seem to be a fail whatsoever. But their big phones are great, just look at the PX100, HD600... They've been setting the standard for years, something that other companies never got to but for perhaps a few models. The K1000, ESP950 or DT48 (a standard for hearing and psychoacoustic studies for years) come to mind. And then there is the Stax, the PS-1 and the R10 hahahaha

I bet Sennheiser has stocked more than 200 units before the launch. Maybe more than 500. I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to sell 1500 units in the first year, the amount Ultrasone is struggling to sell of the Ed9 in the three or four years passed since they released it.

x2 If supraural is no option, then GS-1000. Looks like differentiating those sounds requires "enhanced highs" which these would provide in spades. Also Super.fi 5 have a huge peak in the mid treble which would help on that.

Maybe we're missing the true meaning of "perfect" hahaha;D

Have a great one mate Enjoy this tune.