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New "Electrostatic" on the block THE SONOMA MODEL ONE ELECTROSTATIC HEADPHONE SYSTEM

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no, you are a dinosaur.  same as me.  i still use pure analog oscilliscopes when ever possible.

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6 hours ago, JimL said:

Yes, but if you look at the diagram, there is no other stator.  There is only a stator on one side - in fact they brag  about the fact that there is no second stator.  Perhaps the DSP is also needed to correct for that?

They could coat the spacer with something conducive but yeah, I doubt that is the case.  Pure single ended shit with all sort of weirdness.  Pure win!! 

4 hours ago, mypasswordis said:

Has anyone actually measured and posted results about the claimed diffraction and turbulence caused by the stators of ESLs or magnet structure of dynamic planars? The distance from stator to diaphragm is almost infinitesimal compared to any human(ly audible) acoustic frequency. Even at 20kHz it's about 17mm compared to the ~0.5mm distance between stator and diaphragm. Hifiman straight up copied the Fazor design from Audeze with the Edition 6, and Ether has its "flow" magnet structure, so "fixing" it is clearly the FOTM. But how much difference does it actually make, and what are the tradeoffs? Clearly for the single-sided Abyss, which seems to the dynamic planar version of the Sonoma, the tradeoff is it measures like crap with a lot of even and odd order harmonic distortion that's very nonlinear (based on distance between diaphragm and magnet) and epic underdamping becaus no isodynamic restoring force. Maybe @arnaudcan bring some light to the whole situation. At headphone driver distances to the ear (maybe an inch or even less) vs. the size of the radiating surface, what exactly does the acoustic wave propagation look like with a planar? Can they in fact be approximated with plane waves, and how much is affected by the magnet or stator structure? Obviously the magnets need to be larger than stators so the effect is more pronounced. I did briefly skim over the HF discussion about the Shangri La using a mesh stator. 

Now...now... don't drag things like science into this!!  It should be clear to anyone that the stators stand in the way of the sound molecules and there is no way the bass ones can get through those small holes!!  Just like Ray said about the wires, they have to be thick enough for the bass to get through.  ;)

In all seriousness, the stators aren't a problem in any way that I can see and getting rid of them, or making some flimsy as shit mesh stator will make everything worse.  Can you even imagine how hard it is to make the Shangri-La stators actually run parallel to one another?  Pretty much impossible I'd say let alone what happens when you start playing something.  Hello high distortion electrostatic!! 

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18 hours ago, charlo89 said:

Analog -> digital -> analog -> trash

I'm pretty sure you'd use analog in this case only to connect a phono preamp. Otherwise it's a DAC/AMP unit.

As for DSP, I'm probably biased, but I've never encountered any headphone which lost more than it gained by properly applying measurement based tonal correction. With stuff like this available I see no point in using regular USB->I2S converters. Bake in a profile for headphones and a different one for your speakers/room. Switch with remote.

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I was reading some of their PR bullshit and the cable section was interesting.  First of all...it has a loop going through it so if the cable is unplugged then the amp will shut off.  Seems to be 4 wires going to each cup and they do mention that:

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There is no shared ground between the left and right channel signal cables

Interesting... Well not but why put ground anywhere in an electrostatic system. 

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I am a fan of DSP myself and I have had very good results in the past. That said there is a lot of stuff it can't fix due to the nonlinearity...

For the record analog-digital-analog is part of the mastering chain of nearly every piece of music in the last 20 years.

Not saying that these headphones are good or not. They could be complete shit.



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.......  but,     but...... Schiit doesn't make headphones.........!

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