kelvinz Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I currently have a X-Fi Elite pro containing the CS4398 DAC which it seems to share in common with headroom's ultra micro DAC. Is this an adequate DAC? Should I look to upgrade? I have a incoming beta22 and a friend mentioned that the sound card dosen't have a proper "line out" to run to the b22. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 the DAC chip is just one part of the equation. What else should I be looking for if I'll be using a b22 as the headphone amp? My computer is and will likely always be my source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulveling Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Get a Mac & an Apogee Duet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 i would suggest looking for the search function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postjack Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 kelvinz, just because your source and another source share a common DAC chip doesn't mean they sound the same. terminology wise it can get confusing: usually when we say "DAC" we are talking about the whole shebang, like the entire unit, not just the chip. I suggest you start researching USB DACs in your pricerange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yeah how they implement the analog output stage and do I/V are pretty much as important as the dac chip. Not to mention things like the digital filter... the power supply... etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Get a Mac & an Apogee Duet have a few mac's would rather stay away from firewire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asr Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 The X-Fi is a decent sound card for general computer users but it sucks for audiophile applications. There are better sound cards for audio, but if you want truly high-end sound on a computer, it's better to use a USB DAC than involve the sound card because even the best ones are still susceptible to the internal electromagnetic interference inside the computer - it's best to do the D/A conversion outside the computer, not inside it. Sound cards do actually put out a line-level analog signal, whoever told you that is misinformed - most computer speakers are powered (have amps), they have to be so you can actually hear stuff since the sound card output is generally fairly weak. And you should definitely get a USB DAC because trying to use a B22 without one won't do you any good. The minimum I'd suggest would be the upcoming HeadAmp Pico DAC (yet unreleased, not to be confused with the product currently being sold). The next most interesting DAC options would be the Electrocompaniet ECD1, Northstar M192, or Peachtree Audio Nova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Do you have a budget in mind? I can recommend the Bel Canto DAC3 (around $1500 used) though the Pico DAC looks good too though I haven't heard the Pico or the Pico DAC as yet. Another to think about is the Bryston DAC which looks really nice and you can't beat the warranty. There are Benchnmark DAC1s that go cheap every once and a while too. I would recommend instead of getting a USB DAC you go to a USB DD converter that outputs SPDIF to the DAC to separate the ground from the DAC. I have had ground hum issues with every DAC that I've tried to hook up using a straight USB hookup. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 or you could get a USB DAC that is optically isolated and is self-powered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 or you could get a USB DAC that is optically isolated and is self-powered Yup No contest there. As long as the USB is entirely isolated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Keep in mind that your incoming β22 amp is a very high end headphone amp, and try to match it with a DAC of the same level. It will be grossly undersourced as it stands. There are more and more high end DACs popping up with USB. I agree that if your CPU is going to be your main transport a USB DAC is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeggy Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Ok, this thread has DAC in the title so I'm hijacking it for my own evil purposes and n00b questions... I'm a pauper with nary two farthings to rub together. Now, I need a somewhat decent DAC which will also be attached to a B22. Is the Opus DAC going to be an economically friendly and viable option or is it going to be so-so? I imagine a few of you have or made one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwood Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'm fairly certain the archetypal Dickensian pauper did not possess a discontinued pair of statement-level Austrian earspeakers and a B22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeggy Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 ..but that's why I'm a pauper now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpeezy Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Any word on a DAC only Pico? I'm in need of a USB dac as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogabooga Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Has anyone here heard the gamma-1? Is it in the league(s) of the higher-priced DACs people have mentioned here (Apogee, Opus, Bel Canto)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeggy Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Can't say, but I do have a Gamma-1 coming from MisterX soon. I won't have much to compare it to until I get an Opus built. My only other DAC right now is a Firestone Spitfire, not exactly world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Any word on a DAC only Pico? I'm in need of a USB dac as well. I have the circuit boards ready, and the raw enclosures were finished today -- they just have to be sent off to be made pretty, so probably 4-6 more weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strid3r Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I own a gamma-1, but only have a Lite DAC-38 to compare. It sounds very musical and has good detail. It definitely does not sound like its size, that is for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeggy Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I have the circuit boards ready, and the raw enclosures were finished today -- they just have to be sent off to be made pretty, so probably 4-6 more weeks I don't know if I missed it somewhere, did you have a price set for these yet? And in your totally unbiased view will it compete with the Opus? Also, could we potentially buy uncased boards for integrating into an amp? Edited January 29, 2009 by Smeggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 so I forgot to mention I am all about convenience as well... What does HC think of the SlimDevices Transporter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeggy Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Very expensive. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 FIFY used prices seem to float around $1500.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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