DigiPete Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Anyone have experience or opinion on this K&K Audio maxxed-out phono pre-amp? Anything comparable or better for similar $$, DIY or used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 -1 point for double xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 transformers not good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Pete, I have a great cheap, modded cdp, I'm going to sell. Jp has heard it. It's a Cambridge 640P with a bunch of mods including the power supply. I'm going to sell to fund at Sonic Studio 302. Four op amps replaced with National LM 4562 op amps Coupling caps (.01 UF) replaced with larger bypass caps (.22 UP Polyprop) All power supply caps replaced with Nichicon caps and by passed with .01 UF Wilma MKP caps. Power supply diodes replaced with low noise Schottky type 100v diodes and by passed with .01 UF Wilma MKP caps. High frequency bypass caps on the op amps, which were ceramic disk type are replaced with silver mica caps. Edited July 28, 2009 by tyrion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 +1 for the lundahl iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Pete, I have a great cheap, modded cdp, I'm going to sell. Not really a phono stage though, is it? Pete, looks fairly interesting, JFET input cascoded by a triode. I expect it would sound pretty good. Schematic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Not really a phono stage though, is it? Pete, looks fairly interesting, JFET input cascoded by a triode. I expect it would sound pretty good. Schematic here. What the heck is it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Pete, I have a great cheap, 640 P phono stage, I'm going to sell. Jp has heard it. It's a Cambridge 640P with a bunch of mods including the power supply. I'm going to sell to fund at Sonic Studio 302. Four op amps replaced with National LM 4562 op amps Coupling caps (.01 UF) replaced with larger bypass caps (.22 UP Polyprop) All power supply caps replaced with Nichicon caps and by passed with .01 UF Wilma MKP caps. Power supply diodes replaced with low noise Schottky type 100v diodes and by passed with .01 UF Wilma MKP caps. High frequency bypass caps on the op amps, which were ceramic disk type are replaced with silver mica caps. Not really a phono stage though, is it? I Object! By "modded cdp", my colleague clearly meant "modded 640P" phono stage. Move to strike your snarky remark[y]. What's a little "P" between friends? Edited July 28, 2009 by tyrion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I don't know what you guys are talking about. You gotta love the power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I don't know what you guys are talking about. You gotta love the power. If you're going to abuse your mod power, you might as well fix your original post. Plus, I was just trying to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 If you're going to abuse your mod power, you might as well fix your original post. Plus, I was just trying to help. I thought I did. I think I've already had too much wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 . That's to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Damn I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Just to point out, I already have a very good fully discrete phono stage: the Pass Pearl So I'm looking to see what would get me solidly into the high end in terms of sonic reproduction/performance from a DIY offering. Spedifically want a stage with 60+db of gain, dont think I want a xformer step up, or tube step up in the first stage. Mike thanks for thinking of me with your Cambridge unit. Colin thanks for the info. I wonder if Luvdunhill, Nate and Kevin Gilmore could also weigh in of the +/- of the K&K offering, or something better. Cheers Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Damn I'm confused. I think that's my fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) I'd look at the Borbely phono stages, as well as the newer Pass designs that can be modified to be DC coupled. If tubes are your thing, consider the Alan Wright designs. The real question is how much gain do you need, and do you have an opposition to step-ups, or LCR RIAA transformers. edit: I fail at reading comprehension. Look at the Wright designs and the Borbely designs. However, the below still applies. The noise specs on the Pass designs is as good as you can get from a discrete design, IMHO. Edited July 28, 2009 by luvdunhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 60+ db would be ideal. Borbely look interesting, but high parts count (don't know if that matter too much) I don't really have the skills to modify a Pass design and build my own pcb... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 does Pass have a new design out in the public domain for a phono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Borbely look interesting, but high parts count (don't know if that matter too much) and expensive, once you look at the upper-end PCB material option with Caddock resistors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 does Pass have a new design out in the public domain for a phono? no. The Ono was released and then recalled, once they realized what the Xono would look like once released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 and expensive, once you look at the upper-end PCB material option with Caddock resistors. yeah... I new that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 there is a German guy that sells XONO clone boards. rstaudio.de Potential for better sonics than the Pearl? I do like the more gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 The place to upgrade the Pearl is the coupling caps. The same with the Xono, except you can be creative and bypass them all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiPete Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I was thinking of Mundorf silver/gold/oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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