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kevin gilmore

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Mouser order came in today. Just tested the power supply after installing the new parts and jumper, and double checking everything. Nothing exploded. +/- 494 on the 500V rails and +/- 14V on the 15V. Feels good, and wouldn't be possible without all the help I've gotten here.

 

Bias at the test point only reads about 520V though.

4x 130V = 520V ? ....should be 3x 150V + 130V = 580V

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I just checked and they actually all measure within tolerance.

130, 144, 148, 146

Should be 568V total before warm up. But reading from the test point I'm getting 527V. I'm probably doing something stupid with the measurement, but I'm getting the same reading in front of the ballast resistor as the test point. I'll look at the schematic closer tomorrow with a fresh pair of eyes and see if I can't figure out where my screwup is.

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Yeah. I put in an order for enough to redo it twice if I need to. They should be here in a couple of days.

 

On the good news end though, since the amp driving parts are fine, I hooked up each amp board individually to test them after installing all the new parts. Everything fired up. Got the balance and offset set on the first one then let it warm up before I tweaked it again. Then I disconnected that one to test the second one and so I could install the servo jumper on the first board. Second one is still warming up but it's doing fine.

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Got the new zeners in, and installed them. Still only getting 536V now at the bias test point, and that's basically tolerance difference. I'm guessing that means I need to replace either the IXYS 10m90s or the 3k resistor in front of the zener string. I don't really see what else it could be.

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Yeah, I was about to edit my post. I had a 50V laying around that I temporarily added in series. That jumped it up to 635. So I figured it just needed a little less. I tried swapping in a 150V in the 130 slot and it jumped up to about 610. So I just put it back to stock and it went back to 530. But I noticed the very last time I measured it, that it would start around 570 and then drop down to 530. It might be fine. All the changes add up about right. It's just the particular combination I need that's giving me funny numbers.

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Yeah, I was about to edit my post. I had a 50V laying around that I temporarily added in series. That jumped it up to 635. So I figured it just needed a little less. I tried swapping in a 150V in the 130 slot and it jumped up to about 610. So I just put it back to stock and it went back to 530. But I noticed the very last time I measured it, that it would start around 570 and then drop down to 530. It might be fine. All the changes add up about right. It's just the particular combination I need that's giving me funny numbers.

adding 50V to the zener string made the voltage jump 100V?

Swapping 130V with 150V make it jump 50V?

Don't know how you've added the 50V zener or swapped the 130V/150V ...but it seems like you get the right voltage when tampering with the 130V zener ... might it be a bad connection on the board itself?

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Yeah, it was really strange. But I was poking around the board and noticed something. I get 584V correctly where R39 connects to the string. It's just the test point and on the front connection of R40 where I'm getting 530V.

so basically you get a drop on a piece of cobber trace? (by stating "front of R40" assuming you mean  the end that connects directly to the r39+zenerstring ?)

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so the measurments refered to in the first two posts in this rgrd has been taken at various places? the first (3x150+130) made at R42, the (3x150+130+50) and (4x150) made at r39/zener connection?

The measurements referred to in the first two posts were taken at both the board's bias test point on the other side of C21 and at R42 each time where they were concurrent with each other.

 

I just went and measured where R39 connected directly to the zeners later after all that because it was the most direct. It did make me realize something. If I measure on either side of R42, I get about a 50V drop on my multimeter. R40 is also a 100k resistor. So 580 -50 from the R40 is why I was getting 530V and why it measures fine at R39.

 

It turns out I was just being stupid this whole time. So it seems everything is well and my issues with the bias were just cheap multimeter problems. Sorry to bother you guys about all that.

 

EDIT: And wink called it

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The measurements referred to in the first two posts were taken at both the board's bias test point on the other side of C21 and at R42 each time where they were concurrent with each other.

 

I just went and measured where R39 connected directly to the zeners later after all that because it was the most direct. It did make me realize something. If I measure on either side of R42, I get about a 50V drop on my multimeter. R40 is also a 100k resistor. So 580 -50 from the R40 is why I was getting 530V and why it measures fine at R39.

 

It turns out I was just being stupid this whole time. So it seems everything is well and my issues with the bias were just cheap multimeter problems. Sorry to bother you guys about all that.

Thanks a bunch for sharing anyways ... you are not the only one who have been chasing a red herring from time to time

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Well, at least it's all worth it in the end. After all the questions and parts and time, she lives! And sounds great. The servos keep the IXYS parts within one volt balance and offset even at cold start. Only thing that didn't turn out so good is the attenuator I used that came with it. Unbalanced as hell and even has one volume click where one channel cuts out completely. Gotta get something better. At least max volume is just a jumpered connection so I can just use my preamp to control volume until then.

 

The pictures aren't so great since it's storming like hell outside so natural lighting is pretty bad, but she turned out swell

 

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Well, at least it's all worth it in the end. After all the questions and parts and time, she lives! And sounds great. The servos keep the IXYS parts within one volt balance and offset even at cold start. Only thing that didn't turn out so good is the attenuator I used that came with it. Unbalanced as hell and even has one volume click where one channel cuts out completely. Gotta get something better. At least max volume is just a jumpered connection so I can just use my preamp to control volume until then.

 

The pictures aren't so great since it's storming like hell outside so natural lighting is pretty bad, but she turned out swell

so bottom line .... having bought someones unfinished project, was it worth it?

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so bottom line .... having bought someones unfinished project, was it worth it?

Yeah, if only for the overall cost and most of the casework, though I still had to drill a number of things like the feet, RCA plugs, switches, half the case screws were missing, that sort of thing. Board-wise, I'd prefer doing that from scratch. A lot less headaches. But there's a certain satisfaction in saving something from unfinished purgatory too.

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Just taking a crack at how many "get around to it" projects tend to sit in a box for years. Limbo probably would have been a better word choice.

 

Congrats, well done. Enjoy.

Thanks. I'm looking forward to just kicking back and listening to it for awhile. It certainly sounds great.

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