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The Multi Amp aka Dynalo Mk2

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I'm trying to source a 3RP/2142GSA1A10K pot for the build.  Any good sources online for this?

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Looks about right.

I determined that the JFET combos were mismatched, and got that corrected

I thought my numbering scheme was infallible! Well, in my head at least it is.

I bought a bunch of LEDs to test the voltages.  I liked the LTST-C170CKT since it had a high Vf.  Changing the LED will have a big effect on the output current if it's not matched to the resistor. 

After all these years I just don't understand why people don't build LED-based CCSes on a breadboard, use a pot to dial in the current and buy the resistor to match the LED. If I had to count the posts of people looking for specific LEDs...... /rant off (not really, still on. Don't be that guy!)

I've been using the diode tester on my multi-meter (BK 2709B) to check the forward voltage on the LED and transistor.  It get's you fairly close to actual currents:

current = ( Diode(Vf) - Transistor(be) ) / resistance

In fact, when I'm matching transistors for simple current sources I pay more attention to the voltage across the transistor than the hfe (though I match both anyway :)).

 

I thought my numbering scheme was infallible!

These weren't the devices that I got from you, but the ones that I had in there. Yours are matched very well. I just haven't brought myself to use them yet :)



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@Pars Hi Pars, as for the bridges on GR LV, what kinds of bridges are needed? Do some of them measure better? (on the 6.5 bits stuff or even 8.5 bits)

The ones in the BOM are what is needed. I use Schottkys because I believe that they induce less switching noise. The GRLV is very well protected against diode switching noise, so I don't know whether they actually help in this case. I couldn't see anything on my scope when looking at them, but I might not know what to look for and I certainly don't have access to a screen room.
I don't know what you are talking about in your last sentence.


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I'm not sure how to feel about that :rofl:


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oh, sorry. should be digits...

where to find to the BOM? I've only got the gerb file...

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What do you want the BOM for? The Dynalo Mk2 (this thread) or the GRLV (a different thread)? The respective BOMs are posted in their thread...


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8 hours ago, Pars said:

What do you want the BOM for? The Dynalo Mk2 (this thread) or the GRLV (a different thread)? The respective BOMs are posted in their thread...

The BOM of GRLV. You've mentioned its BOM (the Excel BOM) in the GRLV thread for a few times, but I still haven't find it.

I got the gerb file (zip) and the schematics (pdf), unfortunately both of them haven't have the standard/stock bridge model that we should look into.

46 minutes ago, Pars said:

I thought it was in there. See attached.

GR LV BOM_Sep26.xls

I have two of these in my drawer, is that a bit crazy? RBV5006, max RMS voltage 600V, max average forward current 50A (but these are old, datasheet says production begins in 1998). The bridge in the BOM is 100V/4A

http://www.allcomponents.ru/synsemi/rbv5006.htm
http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/R/B/V/5/RBV5006.shtml

^ this belongs in the golden reference thread, not here.

Question: do individual devices run hotter at specific bias than others at the same bias/current?
All of my devices (MPSW06/56) are matched by hFE to the best of my ability. Vbe was consistent as well as Ib when matching (monitoring Ib and Ic). Since getting an IR thermometer and looking at temps, I have a couple of devices running at 55C (Q13 on both boards, interesting). Both are running at similar current to neighboring devices and the R value is within 0.02 ohms of others. hFE is also very close. I thought by measuring all of the R values and drop across them that I would see something out of the ordinary for the devices running warmer, but I'm not seeing anything.
I'll probably just drop the bias resistors down to 255R for now and revisit when I case the amp to ensure that temps aren't over 50C or so. Any advice on when temp would be a problem appreciated as well. Current is verging on 15mA; these two are running at 14.8 or so (don't have access to data right now). These are thru hole boards also.


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Something nearby Q13 is generating heat? If the voltage drop across the resistors is the same, they should share the same current.

Nothing that would really generate any heat around that, and I was checking temps around the board anyhow. There are 3-4 others at 50C or more, some in the 30s. This was all done at approximately the same time with the amp having run for an hour or so.

 

Board 1                              
                                 
NPN device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms   PNP device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms
Q22 10 293.3 39 0.2926 14.64 R44 19.991   Q24 45 293.3 52 0.2916 14.59 R47 19.989
Q21 32 293.1 39 0.2996 15.00 R45 19.978   Q23 18 293.1 46 0.3004 15.03 R46 19.985
Q16 44 93.0 45 0.2998 14.99 R40 19.999   Q17 64 293.0 44 0.2995 14.98 R43 19.992
Q12 8 292.8 40 0.2936 14.69 R32 19.982   Q14 30 292.7 42 0.2949 14.75 R37 19.996
                                 
NPN device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms   PNP device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms
Q11 74 278.9 35 0.2933 14.68 R35 19.983   Q13 11 278.8 55 0.2897 14.50 R36 19.980
Q15 40 279.1 35 0.2929 14.67 R41 19.970   Q18 31 279.4 47 0.2989 14.96 R42 19.982
Q19 5 279.4 45 0.2896 14.50 R51 19.973   Q25 39 279.5 49 0.2944 14.74 R48 19.969
Q20 86 279.6 47 0.2865 14.34 R50 19.982   Q26 90 279.6 38 0.2893 14.49 R49 19.968
                                 
bias     VR39 1.7420               VR39 1.7420      
                                 
Board 2                              
NPN device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms   PNP device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms
Q22 20 298.6 31 0.2879 14.42 R44 19.965   Q24 93 298.6 50 0.2813 14.08 R47 19.983
Q21 53 298.4 36 0.2883 14.43 R45 19.981   Q23 60 298.4 50 0.2807 14.06 R46 19.969
Q16 55 298.1 42 0.2875 14.39 R40 19.979   Q17 25 298.4 44 0.2905 14.54 R43 19.983
Q12 62 297.2 45 0.2839 14.21 R32 19.973   Q14 76 297.2 42 0.2867 14.36 R37 19.963
                                 
NPN device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms   PNP device ID hFE temp °C Vr Ie   ohms
Q11 88 282.2 30 0.2834 14.19 R35 19.968   Q13 55 282.3 55 0.2819 14.12 R36 19.963
Q15 7 282.6 36 0.2869 14.36 R41 19.975   Q18 99 282.5 48 0.2862 14.32 R42 19.980
Q19 85 282.8 43 0.2862 14.31 R51 20.004   Q25 56 282.6 40 0.2860 14.33 R48 19.965
Q20 64 283.3 46 0.2814 14.09 R50 19.975   Q26 49 283.3 37 0.2831 14.16 R49 19.986
                                 
bias     VR38 1.7344               VR38 1.7380      

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I know, tl;dr :)

Question on using an IR thermometer on these.
When I aim at the to92 flats, since these are in rows of 4, it seems like the far end device measures hotter than the others, and temp increases as I go down the row. Shooting them from the top results in more even but somewhat lower temps. I think the thermo is picking up more than the one device when going for the flats down the row.
Thoughts?


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On a tangent; the HD800 sound brilliant out of the Dynalo, but I find myself boosting the bass a couple of dB most of the time for it to sound right to my ears.

So far I've used digital EQ, but I wonder if someone has a recommendation for how to incorporate a small add-on circuit/daughterboard that could fill the same function inside an existing Dynalo build? I know there is a ton of circuit suggestions out there, but I'm not good enough at this to figure out what would work well with the Dynalo. 

I did, and that works perfectly when I've got the place to myself and can turn up the volume.

However, my social setting requires low volume listening more often than not. At those levels, I need a small bass boost to preserve balance.

It's just for convenience; with a switch on the amp I would not have to walk over to the computer to change settings :)

 

Many thanks, that looks exactly like it!

Did some more reading and that O2 mod seems quite similar to how the M3 bass boost is implemented. 

I have a spare Dynalo in the basement to experiment with; I will give this approach a try and see what comes out of it.

Not a Mini Dynalo but a small one. Finished my Dynalo today, thanks to this forum and the members the build was easy and free of trouble, thanks everyone. Was fun to put it in a small case and solve this puzzle. Also a big thanks to Kevin Gilmore for this design and sharing it with us.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=2232

Thanks to sbelyo for the group buy of the pcbs.

 

dynalo1small.jpg

2 hours ago, rumina said:

Not a Mini Dynalo but a small one. Finished my Dynalo today, thanks to this forum and the members the build was easy and free of trouble, thanks everyone. Was fun to put it in a small case and solve this puzzle. Also a big thanks to Kevin Gilmore for this design and sharing it with us.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/2231

Thanks to sbelyo for the group buy of the pcbs.

 

dynalo1small.jpg

Looks good.

It appears that you populated all 3 bridge rectifiers in the Power Supply? You should remove the center one.  It is there for people who want to use a center-tapped transformer. Since you are using a dual secondary transformer, only the 2 outer bridges are used (BR1 and BR2 in the schematic). With a center-tapped transformer (say 20-0-20), only the center bridge (BR3 in schematic) is used.

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