Smeggy Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) Audeze releases waterfall and low freq extension plots of the LCD-2..that looks darn nice. Only a matter of time before they release it now..Gonna be big I think. Buggeration, I want if these graphs are to be believed. Edited November 10, 2009 by grawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabeer Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Buggeration, I want if these graphs are to be believed. Buggeration indeed . Dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Can't wait to see more complete measurements. Saturday is going to be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Makes me wonder why they didn't post the rest of the frequency response. Best give us a blow-by-blow on sound when you get back, Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sachu Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Makes me wonder why they didn't post the rest of the frequency response. You can extrapolate that from the waterfall plot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 What does measuring time delay/resonance through Fourier transforms over the audible frequencies have to do with frequency response? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sachu Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 The first plot of a CSD is nothing but the frequency response plot...at least by my understanding. The rest are the decay over time.. edit: Re read what you posted..you will understand why you can see the freq response in a CSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Oh that makes a lot of sense, thanks. So I guess they didn't want to show resonance characteristics of the bass. Edit: Also, doesn't that mean there is a hump right around the frequencies you and Don had problems with on the HE5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I really think I'm going to need this headphone. It just keeps getting more enTICEing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmanGeorge Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yeah. Pretty psyched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sachu Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Edit: Also, doesn't that mean there is a hump right around the frequencies you and Don had problems with on the HE5? If those graphs are accurate..the 1kH to 5kHz content is about 2-3dB above the 20-1kHz content..This is fine cause it does give a full richer sound due to most of the music content being concentrated there and means the vocals are pushed a tad forward which is mostly looked up favorably.. But from 5kHz to 10kHz there is a further 2-3dB increase which is slightly worrisome for the likes of me and most ortho folks used to darker sound signatures given the vintage orthos inherent freq responses. After that the rest of the freq response seems to taper off and come back to the level of the 20-1kHz content which is fantastic. edit: Then again..the LCD-2 is going to be tuneable i've been told..we can open it and damp to our hearts content..i am just hoping that we won't..or the most of us won't and they get it right the first time round this time. A note of caution, it was also mentioned that those opening up the headphone might lose their warranty. Personally I don't want a reason to open it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Makes me wonder why they didn't post the rest of the frequency response. Best give us a blow-by-blow on sound when you get back, Colin. No idea, difficulty getting repeatable results, still some tweaking left that will impact upper frequencies, havnt gotten to it yet. No idea. My blow-by-blow report will be which of the two (HE-5 v. LCD2) I buy. Maybe a bit more, but that will be the core of it. You can extrapolate that from the waterfall plot Except its way overly smoothed. I really think I'm going to need this headphone. It just keeps getting more enTICEing. I want no headphones which put a Tice on my head. I find this interesting, comparing the CSD of the LCD1 to the new LCD2. Pretty sweet, the LCD2 is nearly twice as fast, and with fewer artifacts. http://www.audeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/LCD2-Waterfall-1W-NF.jpg http://www.audeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/spectraldecay1.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sachu Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Except its way overly smoothed. Agreed...I would want to see a proper full spectrum frequency response graph, said so when i replied to him last night ..perhaps he will have the binaural head at the NYC meet..Sankar did mention that he was planning on bringing that to a meet..an 8000$ noggin!! I find this interesting, comparing the CSD of the LCD1 to the new LCD2. Pretty sweet, the LCD2 is nearly twice as fast, and with fewer artifacts. http://www.audeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/LCD2-Waterfall-1W-NF.jpg http://www.audeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/spectraldecay1.png Aaah was looking for that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Wait, I thought a Tice was just a measurement of length. But from 5kHz to 10kHz there is a further 2-3dB increase which is slightly worrisome for the likes of me and most ortho folks used to darker sound signatures given the vintage orthos inherent freq responses. Indeed... I might actually like it. Of course, I don't like to keep anything stock and think the LCD2 would be a perfect candidate for some damping, which would hopefully decrease bass resonance in exchange for some extension and shift the lower treble hump higher up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 edit: Then again..the LCD-2 is going to be tuneable i've been told..we can open it and damp to our hearts content..i am just hoping that we won't..or the most of us won't and they get it right the first time round this time. A note of caution, it was also mentioned that those opening up the headphone might lose their warranty. Personally I don't want a reason to open it in the first place.That'd be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 It'd be helpful if they carried the dB scale all the way around the waterfall so you could see where the graph starts and stops and some sort of meaningful sense of scale could developed for the intermediary information. As it is I have no idea how large that hump is somewhere around 5k. Could be 5db, could be more like 7 or 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Wait, I thought a Tice was just a measurement of length. It's a full Tice that makes Colin nervous. He's used to dealing with fractions of a Tice. Back on topic, does anyone know the pricepoint yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 $650. And I will have you know, I am not used to, and never will be used to any fraction of a Tice on my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) $650. And I will have you know, I am not used to, and never will be used to any fraction of a Tice on my head. Everybody is considered a dickhead by someone. And $650.00 sounds doable, thanks. Who's considering purchasing the LCD-2? Edited November 10, 2009 by swt61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmanGeorge Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Have been on the list since RMAF and anxiously waiting for the release. If I can work up the $$ and gumption, I'll pick up one of the next run of HE-5 too and keep whichever I like best. But we'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penger Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm considering buying one to compare against the HE-5 I got from NoNoNoNoNoNo and keeping the one I like more. Curious as to what they ended up doing with the headband though. I remember reading somewhere (perhaps in this thread) that it was still a work in progress, as were the pads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Definitely considering it. Planning on shooting it out at NYC with the HE-5, which I have had loaners for since right after RMAF. Probably buy the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Wow, a lot of you are doing a show down. I do hope the LCD-2 wins, because I don't want to empower that crazy Feifei, but I can understand keeping the winner. I have a feeling it'll be the LCD-2 in any case. I wonder if Audeze will consider custom wood choices if I can supply the wood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'll be doing the buy two/maybe sell one shootout. ("Maybe" == I suck at selling stuff.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 i'm hoping the lcd-2 are better as they are more menace friendly than the he-5's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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