Got to hear these today at NYC, was really underwhelmed. Kinda sounded, I dunno, woolly to me. I don't even know if that is an audio term, but thats what they sounded like. Should have snagged them and listened on a different rig, just had the Beyer and some Headroom amps, and I think some onyko cdp or something. They were in the MOT room though, and I am not too familiar with how most MOT gear sounds, and I didn't care enough to take them outside in the rain to the member room, if I even could have gotten away with doing that. Really, really dug the frame though, so comfy.