grawk Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 See, from my perspective, peter's not the one being an asshat here. You didn't like what he did over there, but he hasnt' done anything wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Pinna Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 When I wrote this above post last night, I wrote in something of a hurry and was kind of "hung up" on the word "accurate". Probably a better way to state my thinking on this subject would be as follows: Audio when played through the Ultrasone Pro 750 headphones (in their default state) sounds more similar to the sound of that same audio when being played through "neutral" ("flat") high quality studio monitor speakers in an acoustically "tuned" to EQ "neutral" ("flat") room compared to any other headphone I've ever heard, IMO. This is not to say that I hold the opinion that the Pro 750's are EQ'd "neutral" ("flat"). Indeed, I do not believe the Pro 750's are EQ'd "neutral" ("flat"). Also, it is possible that there is a headphone which I have not yet heard which I would think would play audio even more similarly to that same audio being played through "neutral" ("flat") EQ'd studio monitors in an acoustically "tuned" room compared to the 750's. This is purely an opinion and nothing more, based on the way I perceive sound. At no point have I ever, nor do I now present these ideas as a statement of fact. One more thought: The only reason I am writing about this here on Head-Case is because I was misquoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Pinna Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I found this quote by yet another sound professional who seems to have a similar opinion about the Pro 750's as me. In case the skeptical among us are curious, no, I am not Phil Selman and I did not write the following comment: Phil Selman, Sweetwater Sales Engineer "Putting on a pair of Ultrasones is like stepping into an expertly tuned room with a pair of top end monitors. Instead of the exaggerated stereo associated with typical headphones, the S-Logic system bounces sound into you ears naturally for a realistic image. I consider my 750s to be one of the single best studio investments I've made." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 That's only with Rudistorr amps though right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman94 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I found this quote by yet another sound professional who seems to have a similar opinion about the Pro 750's as me. In case the skeptical among us are curious, no, I am not Phil Selman and I did not write the following comment: Phil Selman, Sweetwater Sales Engineer "Putting on a pair of Ultrasones is like stepping into an expertly tuned room with a pair of top end monitors. Instead of the exaggerated stereo associated with typical headphones, the S-Logic system bounces sound into you ears naturally for a realistic image. I consider my 750s to be one of the single best studio investments I've made." I don't recognize that guy, but as a general rule most "sound professionals", "audiophiles", etc. have shittastic knowledge of or experience with headphones. When you have nothing for comparison, anything will sound good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I found this quote by yet another sound professional who seems to have a similar opinion about the Pro 750's as me. In case the skeptical among us are curious, no, I am not Phil Selman and I did not write the following comment: Phil Selman, Sweetwater Sales Engineer "Putting on a pair of Ultrasones is like stepping into an expertly tuned room with a pair of top end monitors. Instead of the exaggerated stereo associated with typical headphones, the S-Logic system bounces sound into you ears naturally for a realistic image. I consider my 750s to be one of the single best studio investments I've made." Ok, I'll bite. Sweetwater makes there living selling pro audio equipment so what exactly is a "sales engineer". Does he engineer sales or does he sell engineers? What exactly makes him a sound professional? I can write anything I want in my sales catalog, as well as on the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Pinna Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I don't recognize that guy, but as a general rule most "sound professionals", "audiophiles", etc. have shittastic knowledge of or experience with headphones. When you have nothing for comparison, anything will sound good. Wow! You should consider giving lessons to Don Rickles because in one short sentence you have managed to insult several people on Head Case, HF, most other Sound Professionals and Audiophiles. Whose opinion, then, do you value? Yours? If so, what category do you belong in that causes your opinion about headphones to be more valid than these others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Pinna Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Ok, I'll bite. Sweetwater makes there living selling pro audio equipment so what exactly is a "sales engineer". Does he engineer sales or does he sell engineers? What exactly makes him a sound professional? I can write anything I want in my sales catalog, as well as on the internet I do not know the answer to your question. Perhaps you could contact Sweetwater and find out, then, report back and let us know. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Pinna Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I don't think he's being an asshat there. I may not agree with his impressions of ultrasone headphones, but saying he things they're flat compared with studio monitors that have been eq'd flat isn't an asshat thing to say. Thank you very much, grawk, for your defense on my behalf. The truth is that I never either promoted or defended Ultrasone headphones universally. The only Ultrasone Headphone I promoted and to a much greater extent defended was the Pro (Proline) 750. Unless I have a question, I never "discuss" headphones I haven't heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 See, from my perspective, peter's not the one being an asshat here. You didn't like what he did over there, but he hasnt' done anything wrong here. You asked, and you received Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I do not know the answer to your question. Perhaps you could contact Sweetwater and find out, then, report back and let us know. Thank you. You just don't get it. You come in here spouting your shit with no real information content and nothing to back up what you say. If you are going to use someone to make a point you better know something about them. Otherwise I will just assume that by sound professional you meant some as in: If the rest of your information is based upon the same slack acceptance of "facts" then you should thank Voltron for being as kind to you as he was. But maybe Grawk was right, perhaps you are not an asshat, just a pompous fucktard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecked_porsche Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 But maybe Grawk was right, you are just a pompous asshat fucktard. FTFY. Muuuch better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomana Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Peter, if you like the 750s, no one here has a problem with that. Contrastique likes the 750s, has said so at every turn, and no one has a problem with that and/or her. I think you'll find that many of us have tried the 750s and/or 2500s (I owned the latter and listened to the former at a couple meets) and other Ultrasones, and don't care for them when compared to other headphones we've owned and tried. Enjoy them as you do, but I'm just going to suggest you don't try lather up your praise of them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Guys, do you really have to act like a bunch of high school brats just because you don't like what he posted somewhere else? Get over it, he likes ultrasones. There's nothing wrong with posting that. The pile on meme is getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 He can post what he wants here, but if it's shit (like the sound professional BS; appeal to authority) then I am going to call him on it. If that is your definition of piling on, then so be it. I could care less if he likes the 750 pro, but I do care if he comes in saying it is as neutral as a studio monitor with no other information to back it up (such as what studio monitor as there is more than one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 You didn't start after the sound engineer comment, you started before it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Exactly, you posted while I was adding what I saw as the problem with his first post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 You didn't start after the sound engineer comment, you started before it. morphsci was just being prescient. Let us be honest, we all knew exactly what was coming...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Give people rope not abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fungi Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Now if that's not a sound professional I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 @Grawk - I think that is what I did @Fungi - Takes me back to Police Academy and SpaceBalls: The Movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Did Peter ever answer the question of what other headphones he has experience with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinp6301 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Guys, do you really have to act like a bunch of high school brats just because you don't like what he posted somewhere else? Get over it, he likes ultrasones. There's nothing wrong with posting that. The pile on meme is getting old. *cough*germania*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Did Peter ever answer the question of what other headphones he has experience with? Ah, I love the smell of rope in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman94 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Wow! You should consider giving lessons to Don Rickles because in one short sentence you have managed to insult several people on Head Case, HF, most other Sound Professionals and Audiophiles. Whose opinion, then, do you value? Yours? If so, what category do you belong in that causes your opinion about headphones to be more valid than these others? Perhaps I was too broad in what I first said...all I mean is that the mainstream and most people come from a speaker perspective, and if you've followed any of the magazines or other forums, I think its fairly clear that they're not fully aware of headphones and their needs or opportunities. This is not a problem until someone from this side barges in proclaiming headphone greatness. It is not an insult to point out one's lack of experience. None of us can give a qualified opinion on everything. Not even aerius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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