barmar46 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Thanks Nate, I'll check further into it, but I'll have something here before I bring in my new audio family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHamm Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 because some people don't want to run through the house unplugging everything every time there's a storm. And aren't home 24x7. Just as an FYI ... I've lost two computers and a TiVo to storms and all were on surge protector/filter. Sometimes it still won't matter what you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Just as an FYI ... I've lost two computers and a TiVo to storms and all were on surge protector/filter. Sometimes it still won't matter what you do. Surge protectors are not made to handle storm surges. They are made to handle surges from your power company. If you get a close enough lightning strike, there is very little you can do to prevent damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Surge protectors are not made to handle storm surges. They are made to handle surges from your power company. If you get a close enough lightning strike, there is very little you can do to prevent damage. Yup, and often times with stuff like a Tivo or anything connected to a phone line if you don't have the phone line running through protection you can get zapped that way too. I've seen first hand a Tivo taken out by a surge through the phone line, wasn't pretty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 well, it depends. the good ones can handle some storm surge, but not close strikes. I have never seen one that was made to handle storm surges. Every single one I have seen and used to sell specifically state in its documentation that they are not liable for storm surges. In other words, they will not pay out if a storm struck, since all the good ones have 'insurance'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Ah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldj325 Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 that's unreliable power. Bad power is inconsistent voltage. Especially undervolting. How new is your neighborhood? How much undervolting are we talking about? I've got a UPS on my computer set up that shows the voltage (can't say for sure how accurate it is). Its often showing 117. Maybe I've seen it down to 114. Whatever the value it is, it seems fairly stable and doesn't show wide fluxuation at any particular time. It is an older house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krrm Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 From European Voltage Harmonisation (its on the Internet, so I'm sure it is correct) "2.2.2 North America ANSI C84.1 "Electric Power Systems and Equipment - Voltage Ratings (60 Hz) sets the preferred nominal voltage at 120V and allows a range of 114 - 126V (240V nominal, range 228 - 252V). Equivalent Canadian spec is CAN3-C235. Voltage at a 120 volt nominal single phase receptacle should be 110 to 125V under normal conditions. However, the California Public Utilities Commission has specified that the service voltage shall be kept in the range 114-120V, with some exceptions. This was done because some studies showed a reduction in energy consumption at the lower voltages." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldj325 Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Thanks. Do you or anyone else know if when I'm at the lower end there is any degredation for audio? Or is this where the osiloscope comes in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFF Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Speaking of power conditioners, have anyone ever attempted to build one of these? "DIY Hydra" Power Conditioner on 10 Audio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Speaking of power conditioners, have anyone ever attempted to build one of these? "DIY Hydra" Power Conditioner on 10 Audio yup, I've played with this "design". I found a really nice donor chassis at some point to use and recently saw an even better chassis somewhere (I think at thlaudio). Seemed like a good improvement, but not on the level of say a isolation transformer or good filtering in the component itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFF Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 yup, I've played with this "design". I found a really nice donor chassis at some point to use and recently saw an even better chassis somewhere (I think at thlaudio). Seemed like a good improvement, but not on the level of say a isolation transformer or good filtering in the component itself. About how much did the project cost you? I am curious because I have nothing between the wall and my components. This seems like a cheap project I could commission someone to do for me but I know nothing of this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 About how much did the project cost you? I am curious because I have nothing between the wall and my components. This seems like a cheap project I could commission someone to do for me but I know nothing of this stuff. hm, I don't know. I had most of the parts on hand. Probably $20 or so, plus the power strip? Here's the chassis I recently saw that would work really well: Odio Power Stripe Box Main Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 What are some other good bang for the buck solutions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckledragger Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Those refurb APCs are a pretty damn good deal, I'd wager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slwiser Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Brickwall or Zerosurge are very good for the price. Primarily surge protection devices that do very good power conditioning on the way to doing their primary job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 The WAF of the APC unit may be determinative. How does it compare to the brickwall and/or zerosurge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diebenkorn Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 TOPAZ 91001-12 ULTRA-ISOLATOR TRANSFORMER - eBay (item 260322768868 end time Dec-03-08 15:11:07 PST) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckledragger Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 TOPAZ 91001-12 ULTRA-ISOLATOR TRANSFORMER - eBay (item 260322768868 end time Dec-03-08 15:11:07 PST) As a bonus, you can break your toe on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diebenkorn Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 so worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaox2 Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 The Brickwall is 20% off, saves $51.80 off retail. So $220 after shipping then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 This looks like a pretty good deal, no? APC AV H15 1.5kVA H Type Power Conditioner - Silver at Audioholics Store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hYdrociTy Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Would it be a good choice to use an isolation transformer between the wall and a power conditioner like a pureav pf60 or a monster or apc or whatever? I'm thinking one of these would just suffice.. but for the price i can get both the iso trafo and the pf60... I used to use one of these when i was in an apartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaox2 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I don't always trust my ears, but I believe the brickwall has affected the sound produced through the Elpac PS to my M^3 in a good way. I don't really want to think of how to describe it, other then its different and I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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