GPH Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 The Pico is very nice but after spending time with it for 3 weeks, I suppose I could use something more neutral. What do you mean by that? Too dark, too bright? I didn't find the Pico particularly colored myself, but I'm always curious to hear different opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grenert Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 What they are doing is pulling and re-using old chips from equipment others throw away. Yeah, these guys do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Do the same guys QC the chips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regal Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Do the same guys QC the chips? QC or not, A hardwired silicon filter and a laser trimmed R2R DAC chip sound better than sigma-delta, ask Erno Borbely, John Swenson, Jocko Homo, or Louis Motek what they think about sigma-delta chips. I also have an Audio Alchemy PMD100+1862+Cetoole output (thanks for the board Colin) and this AudioGD is right up there with it in SQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3cT Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 What do you mean by that? Too dark, too bright? I didn't find the Pico particularly colored myself, but I'm always curious to hear different opinions. Hmm... it's a bit warmish. The problem is I'm not sure whether this is due to the amp or the DAC and I have no Ipod and LOD to test this. I have a feeling it's the amp though as the other day, I had a Mini^3 (standard edition IIRC) to compare and it sounded less colored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3cT Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 so, in other words, you have no idea? Yeah, I have no idea how come it sounds warmish. Maybe someone who is more familiar with the design can explain better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penger Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Should I pat you on the back and say it's going to be okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3cT Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 GPH asked for my opinion regarding the Pico's coloration and I merely responded to that. Due to the Pico's inability to function as line-out only, the signal actually goes through the amplification stage whether you use it as DAC-only or not and hence, my original deduction. The Mini^3 only served to confirm that. If you have a different opinion then I'm all ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 So, you put the "warmish" output from the Pico DAC & amp into the M^3 and it comes out more neutral or coldish? All that might prove is that the M^3 is not dead neutral. :palm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penger Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I dunno but if I remember correctly, the M^3 is not frigid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) QC or not, A hardwired silicon filter and a laser trimmed R2R DAC chip sound better than sigma-delta, ask Erno Borbely, John Swenson, Jocko Homo, or Louis Motek what they think about sigma-delta chips.. Why would I give a fuck what they said? Just because they have goofy sounding names? Should I also ask Steve jobs what he thinks of Windows 7? This isn't Head-Fi, appeals to "authority" are dealt with severely. Edited November 5, 2009 by morphsci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Tycho Brahe thinks the 1704 sounds like ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 ^^^ But isn't he dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 This guy clearly clearly knows chips, and ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have to admit that I am at once intrigued by and skeptical of the audio-gd stuff. But I agree that its nice to see the good chipses in use. They seem to be producing a LOT of new designs in a VERY small amount of time considering the apparent small size of the company. I can't see how they would properly optimising any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 GPH asked for my opinion regarding the Pico's coloration and I merely responded to that. Due to the Pico's inability to function as line-out only, the signal actually goes through the amplification stage whether you use it as DAC-only or not and hence, my original deduction. The Mini^3 only served to confirm that. If you have a different opinion then I'm all ears. So, you put the "warmish" output from the Pico DAC & amp into the M^3 and it comes out more neutral or coldish? All that might prove is that the M^3 is not dead neutral. :palm: Mini^3 <> M^3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwood Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 They seem to be producing a LOT of new designs in a VERY small amount of time considering the apparent small size of the company. I can't see how they would properly optimising any of them. The size of the company isn't apparent to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 The size of the company isn't apparent to me. Small, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Why would I give a fuck what they said? Just because they have goofy sounding names? This is my favorite post of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cankin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I dunno but if I remember correctly, the M^3 is not frigid. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 i'm surprised that my comment about the vintage-ish dacs being mediocre has stood un-argued. i usually stay out of those threads, especially since my opinion includes modded units on display at canjam. Modded units such as? And who modded them and what did they do? Foo foo silver wire mods and blackgates galore, or did they actually do something to them like good output stage, good clocking, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) i'm surprised that my comment about the vintage-ish dacs being mediocre has stood un-argued. i usually stay out of those threads, especially since my opinion includes modded units on display at canjam.Not me, man, I don't see what all the hoopla is about, myself, and have said so before. Albeit, specifically about Parasound, not in general. Edited November 6, 2009 by Dusty Chalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 I've never been able to tell sources apart at a meet anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 i'm surprised that my comment about the vintage-ish dacs being mediocre has stood un-argued. i usually stay out of those threads, especially since my opinion includes modded units on display at canjam. You like that French nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 But its got tubes 'n shit, it gotta be good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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