wink Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I ratiocinate all the time and it leads me to the solid conclusion that it is not a ubiquitous practice, and if done improperly leads to the obfuscation of the subject of ratiocinated. All academia should be lined up against the wall and shot with reality pills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeWolf Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fitz Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 At least here you only have to put up with veiled jibes, polite raspberries and off-beat attempts at humour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 ....not dealing with a full deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 you got something to say fuckin say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 ... All academia should be lined up against the wall and shot with reality pills. You may want to take a long, hard look in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeWolf Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) On a more serious note- in addition to my academic pursuits I have also worked since age 15. Not that I had to but getting extra buck was always welcome. So I'll make the leap and say that I've seen what it's like on both sides of the trenches. And I'm not talking about white glove office work- for 5 years I worked as a construction laborer with all sorts of people- ex cons, druggies, Polish immigrants and other unlucky souls who just couldn't jump higher. If there's one thing the rugged clinteastwoodish [real] reality sailors lack- it's innovation and the ability to deal with nonstandard situations. Sure the star-eyed cloud-dwellers try to reinvent the wheel whenever they can but it's the job of good leaders to direct that innovation where it's most needed. Nothing can replace a good academic foundation, experience helps- but only if you know how and when to use it. Edited May 6, 2012 by RudeWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 All academia should be lined up against the wall and shot with reality pills. Yeah, because higher education somehow decreases your understanding of how the world works...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeWolf Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Well, sometimes it does lull you into a false sensation that you can change things just by thinking about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmcmanus Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 On a more serious note- in addition to my academic pursuits I have also worked since age 15. Not that I had to but getting extra buck was always welcome. So I'll make the leap and say that I've seen what it's like on both sides of the trenches. And I'm not talking about white glove office work- for 5 years I worked as a construction laborer with all sorts of people- ex cons, druggies, Polish immigrants and other unlucky souls who just couldn't jump higher. If there's one thing the rugged clinteastwoodish [real] reality sailors lack- it's innovation and the ability to deal with nonstandard situations. Sure the star-eyed cloud-dwellers try to reinvent the wheel whenever they can but it's the job of good leaders to direct that innovation where it's most needed. Nothing can replace a good academic foundation, experience helps- but only if you know how and when to use it. I wish I knew so much... and fear that I once did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeWolf Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty sure that knowing who's been naughty or nice can have its perks sometimes... hehe. Edited May 6, 2012 by RudeWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp11801 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 This thread and the ego based pondering of ones audio navel is why I love Reks shovel so very, very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchro Belt Drive Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Utopia, I prefer the book instead of neutrality. Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 "....not dealing with a full deck. " Oh, dear. BTW it was not a personal barb at your august self. I was being too terse and concise. Most people don't deal with the full deck because they take out one or two of the jokers supplied. "You may want to take a long, hard look in the mirror." I do, and all I see is a balding old fogey. My invective is against the academics who are totally impractical. Reminds me of an episode of the TV series Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy where they put all the academics in one ship and sent them in a different direction to the rest of the fleet. When the academics landed on a habitable planet and realised they were cut off from the others they died out because every time they had to make a decision they had to hold a meeting to discuss what had to be done. You know the type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tari Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I remember that Hitchhiker's story as the academics and menial workers (or the useful two-thirds) staying on the planet but they sent the useless third (telephone sanitizers, management consultants, marketing executives etc) to another planet ostensibly because of a giant mutant star goat, but in reality to rid themselves of their fifth wheel. The irony was that all the intellectuals and worker types were later wiped out through a plague caused by dirty telephones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 That rings a bell...... Must revisit the episode.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmcmanus Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I remember that Hitchhiker's story as the academics and menial workers (or the useful two-thirds) staying on the planet but they sent the useless third (telephone sanitizers, management consultants, marketing executives etc) to another planet ostensibly because of a giant mutant star goat, but in reality to rid themselves of their fifth wheel. The irony was that all the intellectuals and worker types were later wiped out through a plague caused by dirty telephones. Which just proves that you need all kinds. I'm not really down with the 'academics hate' thing, I guess because my academic background has served me well and has likewise helped me to make a real difference in the lives of many of my students over the years. As with just about any form of learning or growing, formal education (academia) has its place in society. It's not for everyone, but fuck anyone who thinks it serves no real purpose because he/she/it (<-- the hermaphrodite straw man) would be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadtonowhere08 Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Yep. They all have a role. It all breaks down when people forget what those roles are. I guess you can call them societal checks and balances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MoonShine Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I wasn't insulting him, it WAS a good word. I appreciate words. And yes, academia is a word in english too. I made up a new word yesterday: Sandlanche. When a bunch of your sandwich innards fall out when you take a bite, usually from being stacken on too heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) Sandlanche .... used in a sentence: "Avocados and mayo lubed my lunch for a huge sandlanche at my first aggressive bite." Edited May 7, 2012 by Tyll Hertsens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmcmanus Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I made up a new word yesterday: Sandlanche. When a bunch of your sandwich innards fall out when you take a bite, usually from being stacken on too heavily. Stacken. There's another one. You're on a roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmcmanus Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Sandlanche .... used in a sentence: "Avocados and mayo..." Definitely two of the key culprits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonShine Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Sandlanche: 75% more likely to happen when wearing a white shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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