Hopstretch Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Pretty nice little package. 12"*12"*14", sealed 10" woofer, 50lbs, 1000W RMS, claimed 23Hz extension, $800. If I ever get a sub for the office rig, this will be near the top of my list. Only thing I can think of that would probably do more for less is the Epik Vanquish at $700, but that's quite a bit bigger and heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 SUNFIRE: True Subwoofer EQ 10 Signature - TS-EQ10 Velodyne MINI VEE - MiniVee MiniVee Subwoofer 2000 Watt Digital Switching Amplifier at Vanns.com | features But the sunfire is considerably more expensive, and the Velodyne is an 8". I've heard the MiniVee and its damn impressive for its size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Subwoofer Rule #1: There's no replacement for displacement. Unless that 10" pushes a serious amount of air, I wouldn't expect a ton of volume down in the low 20hz range. Even with the 1000W amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 The Sunfire is a long-throw, so it still has displacement. Displacement is volume, not area. I would definitely do a Sunfire again (I used to have a True Sub Jr.). I also prefer the continuous phase, rather than a 0/180 switch. I don't know if the SVS that I am lusting after has a long throw driver -- that might throw me back into the Sunfire camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 The Sunfire is a long-throw, so it still has displacement. Displacement is volume, not area. No shit, I'm aware of this, and just because they call it long-throw doesn't mean it actually is. Smaller drivers need to have a huge x-max to compete with bigger drivers. I'd almost guarantee that the SVS driver has a higher xmax than anything sunfire has ever used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 geez, are we going the have the "my Xmax is bigger than yours" worm-hole discussion? edit: heh, posted at the same time as Tkam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Smaller drivers need to have a huge x-max to compete with bigger drivers nope. What about difference between underhung and overhung voice coils? Different topology means you cannot compare the numbers directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 ok fine as a general rule of thumb for a smaller drive to have more displacement than a bigger one it needs to have a higher x-max assuming all other things equal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 this is the right way to do this Wilson Audio: Audio Excellence, High-quality Audio Components, Luxury Speakers 30 watts will blow the windows out... Or build one yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) ok fine as a general rule of thumb for a smaller drive to have more displacement than a bigger one it needs to have a higher x-max assuming all other things equal Xmax is a crock. I mean, what distortion to you define? I could define Xmax = Xphysical, why not.. I'd have a ton of distortion, but hey. If you think everyone uses a 10% number, you'd be wrong... It's just like Watts... without clarification, it's rather meaningless. edit: just found this link, good read: http://www.aespeakers.eu/knowledge-base/the-deal-with-xmax.html Edited June 18, 2009 by luvdunhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 this is the right way to do this Wilson Audio: Audio Excellence, High-quality Audio Components, Luxury Speakers 30 watts will blow the windows out... Or build one yourself. meh, go with this: Eminent Technology: home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Xmax is a crock. I mean, what distortion to you define? I could define Xmax = Xphysical, why not.. I'd have a ton of distortion, but hey. If you think everyone uses a 10% number, you'd be wrong... It's just like Watts... without clarification, it's rather meaningless. christ, why are you making such a big deal out of this? i was just using xmax as a parameter to make my point about displacement being key when it comes to subwoofers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 christ, why are you making such a big deal out of this? i was just using xmax as a parameter to make my point about displacement being key when it comes to subwoofers.... because, it's a rather bogus parameter. The resulting SPL would be more appropriate comparison in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 eh thats almost just as bogus, unless your using an anocheic chamber and have precise measurements as to how far away the mic is. plus spl #'s change completely depending on the room used. xmax doesn't . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) eh thats almost just as bogus, unless your using an anocheic chamber and have precise measurements as to how far away the mic is. plus spl #'s change completely depending on the room used. xmax doesn't . Not for these frequencies. 1W 1m is the standard for SPL. There simply isn't a standard for measuring Xmax, see my article above. SPL also accounts for Sd, so you can compare different diameter drivers directly. I've measured this many, many times. Hell, microphone calibration doesn't even come into play at this sort of measurement. I'll give it a rest. Edited June 18, 2009 by luvdunhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postjack Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 SVS SVS SVS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dusty Chalk Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 No shit, I'm aware of this, and just because they call it long-throw doesn't mean it actually is. I accidentally drove one of my old True Sub Jr.'s at extremely high volumes, and saw the driver excurse, so I can tell you it actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Todd, you haven't figured out yet that Marc is one of those annoying nerds who can't stand it when some factual detail no one cares about but him is misrepresented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 we already have one of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Seemed more graphic, but I do miss the flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Seemed more graphic, but I do miss the flies. I also like the fact that he's continuously dashing the horse in the nuts. Double pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkon Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Rythmik Audio servo subwoofer 12" F12 This is also very highly regarded. Bigger and heavier but direct servo. Specs and frequency response claims 14Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 this is the right way to do this Wilson Audio: Audio Excellence, High-quality Audio Components, Luxury Speakers 30 watts will blow the windows out... Or build one yourself. Those fuckers are stealing my name and can't even spell Mj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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