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  1. in Jose's post there was a mini T2 in vaders hand it was just too small to see..... where as the megatron is too large to ignore...
  2. Well my blue hawaii is working fine with golden ref lv and hv boards.... I want someone to convince me to build a mini t2 seems the next logical step for me without going into rare and expensive transistors.... if only i had the amp boards... or if someone would let me have the gerbers..... <a few momments later......> Me and my big mouth.... I tried to resist but looks like I might be building a mini T2 thanks to JoaMat....
  3. I’m afraid hifi in general in the uk (and probably elsewhere) has been going down the path of high price oblivion for sometime. The market fragments, upgrade paths vanish and less people start on the hobby and good quality kit becomes unaffordable for anyone except professionals/and the rich. I remember when I was a child the local hifi store (stereo only no multi-channel) had Quad, Heaffler, Cambridge audio, castle, Radford, hafler, leak, walker, lowther, b & w, kef, Kinshaw, ferrograph, Goldring Garrard, Decca, Hadcock, Sme, wharfedale, so many British manufacturers and some others like teac, yamaha, ortofon, luxman etc. Over the years one by one as the founders retired and they were replaced by their sons and accountants (c.f. Quad ) the prices went up dramatically, the skills were lost... Quad "lost" all the design work Sir Peter walker did on the esl 57 and 63 and had to reverse engineer them from scratch and rediscover what worked and what did not before they could make any major changes hense the "replacement" to the esl 63 the esl 988 which was a copy of the esl 63 with lower build quality (plastic top and bottoms)... I went to the Quad demo of the 988 at a hifi show, they were selling quad clothing and had pretty girls everywhere... the sound was terrible - I suspect more the hifi they matched with it then the speaker. But the message was obvious buy quad merchandise. The traditional manufacturers closed one by one or got taken over by large groups c.f. Quad etc. Audiolab got taken over by tag who sold the same mid to low budget audio lab kit in expensive looking chassis for 10 times the price.... the hifi magazines where full of their advertising, raved about their products and less than a couple of years later tag vanished.... a while later I believe the original audio lab staff brought the company back and started reselling their original designs back in the original casework and sensible prices.... I remember talking to the owner of my local hifi shop and he told me that in many cases a hifi manufacturer would not let him stock individual components from their range - he either had to stock everything or nothing. This was too much of an investment for him and in some cases he only thought some of a manufacturers range was good... but his ability to pick and choose was being erodded. I read that the entire circulation of all uk hifi magazines now is less than the circulation of one of the smallest ones back when I was young… In 2018 I purchased a hifi/absolute sound issue which stated on the front “ultimate guide to headphones” I read it and was appalled. There was no research, no discussion of the topology at all, One page per product, no internal photos and almost every single review was entirely positive, in most cases the paragraph on the company history was longer than the paragraph on listening experiences. If the review was not 100% positive they added things like “but the more I listened to them the more I liked them”… So its easy to think they you have to have golden ears to appreciate any hifi over a few £100…. Now it’s tough to get started in hifi, most people are happy listening to low fi headphones and compressed music on mobile phones or through laptop speakers.... The hifi magazines refuse to write a bad review of any piece of hifi since they are worried about not being given free review samples, or being sued, or the company pulling adverts from their pages... Cameras are going the same way. Look at what happened to Olympus.... Canon changed the market with the 5D mk 1 - the first affordable full frame 35mm camera, now look at the price of the latest 5Ds and the L series lenses keep going up and up.... I see the same trend now starting with computers, only 2 cpu manufacturers, only 2 graphics cards manufacturers, only 3 memory and flash manufacturers. Graphics card prices have been sky rocketing so in general have cpu prices and especially motherboards ... (sorry for the rant) James
  4. Kevin, I have just built 3 of the synchronous rectifiers, I built a little test setup with just the + side of a spare golden reference LV board and used a single non centre tap AC ionput. (LV board set to +14VDC output transformer known good). I found all 3 rectifiers to produce rectified output with some 100hz ripple by scoping the + terminal output of the synch rec and the scope ground on the ground of the LV board. Testing drawing from 0mA to 300mA using a DC electronic load from the LV board produced a stable, non drifting clean output - I expected 14V and got 14.014V. The output voltage dropped by about 3mV when comparing the 0mA draw to 300mA which seems reasonable. My conclusion was the sync rec boards where correctly soldered and working. I then desoldered the traditional bridge rect from my well tested and fully working blue hawaii gold ref LV board (which uses a centre tap transformer for it AC input) I replaced the bridge with the synch rec, brought the amp up slowly on a variac and immediately noticed a buzzing sound coming from the golden ref board and only the + side of the board got to 15V and stable with both leds lit and the neg side could not get past about -10V and the second led did not light on the neg side... this was with the gold ref lv connected to the blue hawaii amp boards and drawing current but before the delay circuit activated the B+ lines. I immediately pulled the power before the B+ came up to protect the amp. I repeated the experiment with no load i.e. the blue hawaii not connected to the gold ref LV and still got the same behaviour. I tried all 3 sync rec and got the same result. Thinking I had damaged the LV board I put back the original bridge rect and both the - and +15V both were fine and measured exactly as before I removed the original rect. regards James Update, Looking at the diy forum, https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/333844-ideal-bridge-rectifier-gb-23.htmll they also say the LT4320 will not work correctly on a centre tapped transformer.... the two AC outputs of the transformer must be in phase with each other and most centre tapped transformers are out of phase... I have successfully got the synch rectifier working with the golden reference LV power supply. but only using transformers that have dual secondary windings. I cant not get centre tapped to work correctly. Update I am convinced the synchronous rectifiers only work with non centre tapped transformers.
  5. Im using LSK389A in my blue hawaii, with a 10K log pot I get good control over the volume and "normal" listening around 12 oclock. The source to the hawaii outputs 2.2V full scale.... I believe the LSK389B would also be fine, especially if you have a source with lower output or you like to listen at higher volumes or prefer to not have the volume knob around so far...
  6. Depending upon the price, I would be interested in 2x GRLV78xx and 2x GRLV79xx Thank you.
  7. Blue hawaii build notes based on kgbhver6sbipolarinc. The amp board is fairly easy to build, but I do have a few observations 1. EITHER populate the LSK389 6 pin dual transistor OR the two single transistors each side NOT both EITHER populate the STN9360 smd transistors OR the KSA1156 just below them NOT both important and high voltage tracks run close to the screw holes for attaching the heatsink L brackets to the board on the top side of the pcb. I would be very wary about placing the L bracket on this side, if the solder mask is rubbed there will be a short to the L bracket which is probably electrically connected to the rest of the case and the case is probably connected to earth (certainly in countries with 3 pin mains leads) and that’s going to be bad.... 2. the tube sockets and trim pots go on the other side of the pcb to the rest of the components. If you want you can also put the leds on the top side so you can see what is going on. The 3 leds will give you an indirect indication of the status of the board. All 3 leds should be lit for normal operation. The led by itself gives an indication of the -400V line, the two leds closer together indirectly show the state of the +-15VDc lines. There is no led for the +400V line. 3. to set the constant current to 20mA you need to measure 1V DC across the 50ohm resistor near the trimpot (one for each valve). Since the trim pot is on the top side of the pcb it makes sense to put the 50ohm resistor on the top side two. I raised the resistor off the circuit board so I could easily clip insulated multimeter probes to the leads. 4. I found mounting the screw terminals to the underside was a pain in the ****. it may look neater BUT to screw the terminals you have to get to the underside of the board. BUT the pcb is mounted to an L bracket mounted to a large heatsink. So, you either have to flip the entire thing over.... hope you have long enough wires to allow this OR put the entire thing on a desk and stand on your head and screw upwards from below.... I am sorely tempted to desolder the screw terminals and mount them on the top of the pcb. 5. if you are going to have a single ended input to the amp e.g. RCA/phono then the -input should be connected to the ground for minimal hum. 6. when you are doing the inter board wiring for the first time make sure the inputs are shorted to ground. I got some instability issues because my input wiring was too close to either the stax output socket wiring or the main transformer and had nothing connected to it and was not shorted to ground. 7 when you build the amps boards set all the trim pots for halfway and verify with a multimeter in ohms mode. This will save you from having a trimpot at one extreme of its travel and result in LARGE DC offsets or high constant current pull.... 8. if you have a scope or two multimeters it’s much easier to set up the amp because changing the DC offset also makes the balance change and vice versa. With a 2-channel scope or 2 meters its far easier to chase the correct spot. Adjust the two trim pots near the 50ohm resistors have been adjusted for 1V across the resistor i.e. 20mA current, first. Next you can adjust the dc offset and balance between the valves, the audio inputs should be shorted to ground and no headphones attached for all setup. If you are using a scope make sure it’s set to DC coupling... AC coupling will ignore any DC offset and its DC offset we are trying to null out. Also, if you have a scope do no connect the ground terminals of the probes to anything only the centre pin of the probes is needed. (almost all scopes internally are grounded via the main input) almost all multimeters are NOT and require the ground lead connecting to the amp board or psu ground. 9. Im my experience if you are building a single box amp, even if the transformer has a magnetic shield foil, putting the audio input wires anywhere near the transformer will result in hummmmmmm..... the magnetic field is STRONG with this one... 10 The hottest transistors on the blue hawaii are the FQPF8N80Cs, measuring the mounting screw of the transistor - (which seems to be the hottest part I can find) I get a stable 65C after multiple hours of use, this is using arctic ceramique thermal paste, aluminium L bracket 200mm by 80mm heatsink with 40mm fins and aluminium oxide insulation pads.... 20mA constant current and +-400VDC B-+ 11. double check which trimpot you are adjusting. I have adjusted the constant current trimpots by accident when trying to do DC offset and balance multiple times.... 12 some labelling of the trimpots to say what does what on the silkscreen would be nice... 13 labelling the screw terminals on the top side of the board would be nice for checking wiring after the boards are in place. I hope this is useful James
  8. Blue hawaii build notes for the kgsshvpssicfetdual2new PSU The kgsshvpssicfetdual2new is based on version 1.6 of the kgsshv psu single boards and does NOT have the cpc1117N or resistor required for simple B+,B- delayed start. (it’s still possible to implement delayed start but it requires a relay(s) which the cpc1117N avoids). In all other ways its similar to the v1.7 single boards. The single boards put the b+ on one board and the b- on another and split the -+15V and bias between them. The kgsshv ps dual has all the dc voltages required to power the blue hawaii and apart from the notes above is topologically and componentry identical to the single psu boards. The notes bellow applies to BOTH the single and the dual psu boards. Construction is straightforward other than 1. the silkscreen shows 15-0-15VAC input for the + and 15VDC outputs, Since the -+15V output is a simple DC supply with a bridge rectifier and voltage regulators 15-0-15VAC is NOT sufficient to provide -+15V output... I have verified this using a variac. There is about 0.6V drop across each diode in the bridge *plus* the voltage regs need between 1V and 1.5V more input DC than their output in order to regulate properly. so 18-0-18AC is actually required to get a properly regulated -+15VDC output... Any more VAC input will be converted into heat by the voltage regs. However, with 18VAC-0-18VAC centre tapped input the voltage regs run very cool with the small heatsink they are bolted to. 2. the blue hawaii amp boards -400VDC lines draw more current than the +400V lines. If you connect a single channel up to the psu board for testing there will be no problems. Connecting two channels results in the -400V line on the psu going into current limit and the voltage dropping to (im my case) about -175VDC. The fix is fortunately easy. The 5.1ohm 3W or 5W resistors are the current sense resistors for the over current protection. On the -400V psu side either replace the 5.1ohm resistor with about 2.6ohm or similar wattage and type or parallel another identical 5.1ohm around the existing one. The +400V does not need modification. the lower the resistors value the more current supplied before the current limit cicruit activates. I don’t have anyway to variable load a line that has such a high voltage but I would guesstimate that the 5.1ohm resistor current limits at about 100mA since two amp boards +400V together draw around 81mA and there is no problem with 5.1ohm and 2 -400V boards draw between them around 129mA and that causes current limiting with 5.1ohm sense resistors. 3 make sure none of the metals tabs on the transistors are shorted to the heatsink/L bracket that mounts to the heatsink. Use electrically insulated spacers between the back of the transistors with metal tabs and the L bracket/heatsink AND use a nonconductive gromet to insulate the bolt from the transistor. The psu transistors do not get that hot with a reasonable size heatsink attached. 4. if you are building in a u2 high case the largest main psu caps you can put in are Kemet 500V 470uF long life at 65mm tall. Beware they also do an 80mm tall 470uF cap - this will NOT fit in 2u. Similarly 680uF caps at 500V are 80mm high and will not fit. 5. if you want to check the bias is 580V use the bias test point. Dont measure at the bias screw terminal. Why, typical multimeters have a 10M ohm input impedance and assume whatever they are measuring across is much less than 10Mohm... this is NOT the case for the bias line which has a 4.7Mohm resistor. result the multimeter will NOT give the correct voltage reading between the ground screw and the bias screw. Measure from the bias pad nearby to the ground screw. Also, don’t measure the bias with headphones attached. 6. there is only one screw terminal for +400V, -400V, +15V and -15V so you will need to connect two wires to each screw terminal. This limits the gauge of the wire. Also make sure you are screwed the terminal down well, its easy to have one wire firmly affixed and the other one lose.... 7. to adjust the B+ and B- lines the two 390K resistors (R8 and R9) in series with the 20K resistor (R7) just after the 1N007 diode that have the 0.047uF cap across them need to be changed. Approximately (for my psu) I got the following 442K for 450VDC (note requires a transformer with 360VAC output to have enough voltage input to get proper regulation) 390K for 404VDC (transformer 330VAC or more output) 365K for 375VDC (transformer 310VAC or more output) the approximate equation for me was the total of the 2 resistors in ohms/(20,000-700)*10 (the 20,000 is the resistor in series with the resistors you are changing, the 10 is the output of the voltage reference LT1021-10), the 700 is the fudge factor to make the numbers accurate for me... (variation in voltage reference, variation in the 20K resistor etc etc...) 8. To test for proper regulation connect a volt meter to the nominally +-400V output and a ground screw terminal and either power the transformer from a variac OR if your variac can go high enough you could go from the variac output into the 300VAC input of the psu. There is no need to have amp boards connected at all and its safer if you dont. Slowly increase the AC and you should see the DC output rise. At some point increasing the variac by some volts will result in very small output increases (in the order of few milli volts) now the psu is regulating. Measure the 330VAC input of the psu and that’s the minimum transformer output voltage you need for regulation. Both the + and - 400V sides of the psu should have similarly behaviour and similar minimum VAC input requirements since they are almost identical in topology and are identical in components. 9. I would recommend initially testing the psu board without amp boards connected in case voltages are way off. However, with no load on the psu the b+ and b- lines, they will take some minutes to fall to 0v and with no headphones the bias line will stay high for a long time. Fortunately the bias line can be discharged just by connecting a multimeter to it and ground and set to DC volts. Even a meter with 10Mohm input impedance will drain the bias line in a few minutes. the -+15V lines will be drained by the voltage regulators. 10 I would recommend a variac for initial testing it allows you to bring voltages up slowly and make sure that voltages are going up in symmetry (-+400V, -+15V) and becoming stable. 11. If the outputs look good with no amp boards attached, connect one board and repeat the tests. Better to put in channel in danger than both... especially if the amp boards have not been tested. 12. if test with the other amp board only. You don’t want to blame the psu if one amp board only is miss behaving... 13. test with both amp boards. Remember if the -400V line goes down in voltage significantly only with 2 amp boards attached and is fine with one you probably have a current limit problem and did not implement item 2 here! 14 don’t plug in headphones unless 1. you have a spare pair you don’t mind frying. 2. you have tested voltages, dc offsets are nulled and you are happy. ideally look at the outputs on a scope and put some sine waves in.... 15 Before you plug in anything visually inspect for solder bridges... I had a partial bridge it only started conducting when the input AC to the psu went above about 26VAC... thank you variac... 16 use probes with insulation, there is lots of high voltages don’t short out things with you probes.... 17 Before you power up anything double check the wiring the - and + on the silkscreen are quite small and you dont want +400V going to a place expecting -400V.... 18 temperatures are low, with the psu attached at a 200mm by 80mm heatsink with 40mm fins, (both amp boards running constant current 20mA and -+400V B-+), the centre of the case of the +400V side transistors are about 40C, the -400V transistors are around 3C higher at around 43C. The cases on the C2M1000170D transistors take some time to become as hot as the mounting screws. The 10M90S cases reach the mounting screw temperatures far faster. 19 I know the board has been made as small as possible and around the screw terminals its rather crowded. But it would be nice if there was sepertate screw terminals for the -+400V and -+15V for each channel, this would allow for the use of thicker wires and reduce the possibility of a wire comming out. (I have already had the situation where I though both wires where screwed in tightly to a single terminal and then one came out) Hope this is useful James
  9. For anyone building a blue hawaii, here are the current draws for my build after 5 minutes of power on, rounded up to the nearest mA. These figures provide no margin for variation, to headroom for inrush on power up and should not be considered minimum specs for the transformer... PSU board set to 400V output (actual around 404V) constant current on the amp boards set to 20mA per valve inputs shorted to ground no headphones attached groove tubes el34 kemet long life 470uF caps @ 550V for B+ and B- Boards used: amp Blue Hawaii kgbhver6sbipolarinc PSU kgsshvpssicfetdual2new (single board version 1.6 with no delayed start cpc1117n that appeared in ver 1.7)total for both channels: -15VDC line draws 10mA +15VDC line draws 11mA +400VDC line draws 81mA -400VDC line draws 128mA EACH 6.3VAC line draws 3.1A Primary side current draw 0.67A @230VAC All Measurements made on a Brymen bm869s multimeter. NOTE With @230V primary the inrush current is significant and will blow a 3A fast blow fuse on power up, and blow a 4A fast blow after half a dozen power ups (tested with no B+- delay circuit). With a delay circuit 3.15A Timed fuse looks good. transformer I used (which is overkill, but as a result the transformer generates very little heat. ) 330VAC 300mA 330Vac 300mA 36V AC centre tapped 200mA 18v-0-18v 6.3VAC 4.5A 6.3VAC 4.5A Now I have measurements I would say that the transformer could be scaled down to somthing like 330V 250mA 330V 150mA +18V centre tap -18V 50mA 2x 6.3V 4.5A I hope this post will help someone. regards James
  10. Here’s the problem, when you measure the wrong thing the wrong way because its relatively easy to measure and analyse you end up optimising the wrong thing the wrong way... and end up with worse ENJOYMENT of the sound. But objectivist don’t care about the actual sound they care about the measurements of simple, fake not existing in nature sounds like 1Khz pure sine. If they don’t know how to measure it e.g. real complex music, it does not exist... what you actually end up with is products where the enjoyment does not exist because the music is not priority. THD + noise has lead to DACs that disconnect/mute their outputs when then recieve an input which is a stream of 0s i.e. silence. As a result the noise looks realy low with silence as an input so the signal to noise ratio will look good. But you are not measuing the noise generated by the device! the output of the device is not connected to the rest of the device. All because the designer of the chip wants to have better *measured* signal to noise but not actually better real world noise when there is a musical signal present... again measuring the wrong thing the wrong way AND cheating to make it look even better.[https://www.evaluationengineering.com/instrumentation/article/13011757/testing-audio-adcs-and-dacs] Now its recognised the designers cheat by recognising test signals and so the measurement devices dont use silence rhey use an idle tone.... (which are still simple tones that dont exist in nature but exists just to stop the dac muting and are simple enough to be easily filtered out... eventually the dac designers will put logic in the chips to sense these idle tones and still switch on the mute circuit)... then the measurement comunity will need to devleop new idle tones.... I see no point comparing devices with 140db signal to noise vs 135db signal to noise at these kind of levels it tells you nothing at all useful about the sound enjoyment. I remember the very early days of CD.... A rich friend read a hifi review of the first Philips player and purchased it motivated by specifications and measurements alone. He demoed it to me and the first peice he played was classical with violin(s) (I am afraid I dont remember the peice of music only the effect it had). The hasrshness, shrillness and sterility of the sound almost took the enamel off my teeth. I said to him that’s unlistenable. He said the specifications of the CD player and CD system are far superior to LP and the CD is more ACCURATE. He even contended that violins sound like that in real life. I said to him I don’t care if everyone else thinks that’s how violins should or does sound; I literally could not stay in the room with the music playing. I stuck with my LPs and ignored CD for about another 20 years. It was so painful for me there was almost zero musicality. Next time I visited he had sold the CD player and was back on LP. he admitted he could not live with the CD sound. I’m not saying ALL digital replay is terrible but my experiences of the *first* CD systems were uniformly frightening. Now we both have digital systems. But I have only been a serious digital listener over the last 15+ years or so. For me iits taken digital a long time to the musicality levels of LP *regardless* of the measurements showing it being "better" from day one...The bottom line is we need measurements that actually correlate to precieved sound enjoyment and we simply do not have that.
  11. I’m sorry, I don’t want to start a flame war and I am not against measurements, they can tell you if something is broken or almost breaking. For example, if it has 50% distortion or 0 signal to noise ratio and it’s not a guitar amp then its probably broken... But I don’t think I am as sensitive as a measurement meter I know I can’t hear a 0.5db difference or the difference between 0.0001% distortion and 0.000001% and yet personally, I have never purchased a piece of hifi *only* based upon the measurements and would never want to. I buy hifi to get *pleasure* out of listening to music and until someone can *model and measure" how my pleasure system from my ear to my brain works I will stick to trying to please my ears, emotions and mind by listening subjectively. The bottom line is most measurements use inputs that as so simple they simply don’t exist in nature e.g. single frequency repetitive sine waves... why - because it makes the analysis simple. Analysis of actual music being played... no way impossibly complex... As sure as heck I can listen to a lot of hifi that measures well and my brain says very quickly that it is NOT musical or lacking in bass or has glassy hard nasty treble. The device is a non-starter for me after that unless there is no alternative and even then, I will never be happy with it. What are the *actual **measurement* *differences* between say a blue hawaii and a stax srm-006 that *show* how much better the blue hawaii is? If you want an amp to measure well do what the Japanese did in the 70 and 80s that decimated the UK hifi industry... use as much feedback as possible to iron out all the nonlinearities, convince people to stop listening and only look at the measurements and complete just on measurements and watch you hifi industry die... The hifi industry responded by claiming reviewers with golden ears could hear these measured differences... the fact was ordinary people could not and they bought the garbage sounding stack systems and the uk hifi industry and ultimately hifi press and hifi shops died. Im not saying the reason the hifi industry died was solely due to measure and don't listen culture but it was a major contributing factor. I am not against measurements *in* *theory*. I would *love* someone to come up with objective measurements that will tell me that *I* *will* *enjoy* item X Y percent more than item Z. Then I can make value for money judgements and not waste any more money on kit that initially seduces me because it has more detail or more dynamics or more whatever, but ultimately I find myself listening to less music and enjoying what little I do listen to less... that’s not what I want from my hifi and yes I have made some horrendous hifi buying mistakes over the years. Its taken me a long time to understand that more enjoyment is more important than more X or Z. (regards james already starting to dig a bunker and put on a tin hat). My apologies if I offend anyone and you are welcome to think I’m a complete nutcase.
  12. I second the good iron.... I bought a cheap iron with crap thermal regulation and little thermal mass... so as soon as it touched a joint it would cool down. So I increased the amount of time the iron was in contact with the joint.... this increases the time the joint has to oxidize, the flux in the solder would all burn off and the joints were horrible. The solder would not stick to the oxidized joints and it was frustrating. Some years ago, I purchased a hakko fx888d and instantly my joints improved thanks to the good thermal regulation and thermal mass I only needed apply the heat for a short time. So, the flux built into the solder not run out before the was made and cooled. (There is a wealth of good information on you tube) I high recommend the eevblog I would also say a good desoldering station like a duratool d00627 makes like much easier. It has a built-in heater and vacuum pump. You place the tip over the joint, wait for the joint to melt, hit the trigger and the solder is gone. Its far easier and more reliable than trying to hear the tip with a soldering iron and use a spring loaded pump in your other hand, or using solder braid. It gives you the confidence that if you screw up (and I have multiple times) you can fix the mess easily and without lifting tracks off the pcb. Its so useful. I had a problem with the 400V- on my alpha centauri power supply. I figured it had to be one of the transistors, so I desoldered all of them on the -400V side tested each one found a transistor that had decided it was two back to back diodes, put all the other transistors back, replaced the bad transistor and had the psu up and running in half an hour.) I also second the good multimeter with input protection in all modes is also a must. I have this bad habbit of working on amps after work when im tired so I make mestakes... I managed to have my multimeter in ohms mode and tried to measure +400V.... I got a spark just before the probes touched the screw terminal. The psu went into current limit mode and the multimeter survived... a bit of a drama but no harm done. A cheap multimeter without input protection would probably have died. I have a brymen bm869s, its overkill for features and accuracy but its very robust . The brymen being abiused Regards and please consider DIY... James
  13. you should not have any trouble with the amp then.... (the SS in KGSS stands for sharp silcer depending upon how sharp the heatsinks are...? )
  14. I also have a BSc and MSc in computer science, but for the last few years I have been lecturing Cisco networking and computer network security rather than programming. If you have the time and the space, DIY is a lot cheaper than buying... My total cost for the blue hawaii build as less than 1/4 of the price I could buy one for new. Even second hand I probably could not afford to buy one. (OK the case will not look as nice and I did not go for a crazily expensive volume pot, but I could add one later). Apart from the satisfaction when its built and working, I know that in the future I can upgrade/modify/repair/service the amp. The blue hawaii is only my second high voltage DIY hifi build. (before this I built the hi-amp alpha centauri and have built a DC electronic load and a few other low voltage DIY projects). I didn’t hate electronics but I don’t "get it" the same way I "get" programming.: I can write programs from scratch in my head... I can't design more than a simple circuit full stop... although I am getting better at understanding and reverse engineering other people’s circuits and modifying them a little bit... The alpha build was tough, there where errors in the pcb, silk screen, component list, I killed a transistor adjusting the psu, the psu specs were marginal, as was the temperatures on the DC valve heater transistors. I think so few people built it that the information did not get debugged. It took some problem solving to get it working but it was a learning experience. In contrast the blue hawaii has been almost plain sailing. Enough people have built them that any errors seem to have been ironed out. The psu worked first time as did the right channel. The left channel hand one issue which I spotted with my magnified visor: a almost solder bridge which would arc at about 65V. Trivial to fix and the amp now works fine. My biggest issue with the Kevin Gilmore designs was getting my head around all the terminology used in the filename of the gerber files used for the PCB creation. I sent a few private messages to Kevin Gilmore and he was very helpful and responsive. To sum up I’m so glad I decided to go DIY, I have learnt a lot and the satisfaction outweighs the frustration when things go wrong.... (just dont ask me to confirm this when im in the middle of something being wrong ) regards and sorry for my rambling James
  15. The blue hawaii is going to be too large for you, I managed to get it into a single case but that case is 400mm deep, 85mm tall and 19" rack mount wide. It needs a lot of heatsinks and the power supply is large.... and the wiring needs to be carefully routed to avoid hum from the rather large mains transformer (120mm diameter, 65mm height) in my case... The alpha centauri is not much smaller - same case but 300mm deep Are you buying pre built or DIYing your amp? It looks like you dont have enough space for valve... the tiny 6cg7 in the stax amps have very little drive, all the better valve amps use more poweful and therefore larger and more power demanding valves like 6sn7 (alpha) or el34s (hawaii).... But that means a bigger psu, bigger transformer and more heatsinks.... Personally I think the stax'es own modern energizers sound absolutely terrible in every respect. They don’t have enough drive to drive the headphones properly and as a result the bass is just muddy and flat and gets worse as you increase the volume. I had a stax srm006t and 404 signature combo and found them to be bright, fatiguing, not very musical and poor bass. I simply did not enjoy most music with them. I felt that my brain was on over drive and I could not relax into the music the way I could with my electrostatic main speakers. I spent a lot of money (for me) upgrading to a set of sr-007a and ran them on a stock stax energizer and the sound was better but I was still never happy with the sound. It was still a bit flabby, lacking in warmth in the bass and got worse as the volume increased. I felt the upgrade from 404 sig to sr-007a was bearly worth it. I felt my Quad 2905 speakers and Lemma Hydra amp sounded way better, more relaxing, better bass and far more musical. I tried parametric eq to try to make the stock stax amp sound more musical and failed, if I increased the bass all I got was more mud and the mud got thicker sooner, it sounded different but not ultimately better. The issue was the amp design. I built a alpha centauri stax amp http://www.high-amp.de/html/hybrid-amp_eng.html and found it to be a *massive* improvement on any current production stax energizer from stax. Beter and deeper bass, more control, less flabby and muddy, far far better dynamics and stereo imaging, nicer trebble - it was an improvement in every respect except size and power consumption - neither of which I cared about. My only criticisms of the alpha was that I still could not relax into the music and the bass was not rounded or warm enough - it went deep but the mid and upper bass was lacking. I also found that there was very little depth to the stereo imaging. It was far better but still I could not fully relax and just let the music wash over me... still my brain was analysing the sound. I just finished the electricals on a blue hawaii build... case is still to be machined and milled but I have had two days to listen to it. My word its good! without any audiophile components except for cardas chasis wire and ptfe tube sockets it sounds amazing. Its as much of a improvement over the alpha as the alpha was over the stock stax. The blue hawaii is fantastic - I can just listen without strain, without my brain trying, the detail is amazing but its integrated and does not just throw detail at you. The treble is sweet and the bass is rounded, warm and full. It sounds so much like my quad 2905/leema hydra combination that I seriously wonder if its worth running a conventional amp and speakers anymore. I tried my sr-404 signatures on the hawaii and it made the signatures sound very good too - better than the sr--07 on the stax OR alpha! I am convinced that most of the stax headphones are not bad but the stax stock energizers are just complete junk. Anyway, sorry for the rambling. But I think what I am trying to say is that to get descent sound from the stax headphones get a realty good energizer, then later you can think about upgrading the headphones. Upgrading the headphones on a stock stax energizer gets you better sound BUT all the weaknesses of the stock energizers - the lack of drive remain. I have not built or listened to an KGSS but my thoughts are that if its close to the blue hawaii in sound then go for it - and there is not much reason to think it will not be given the simularities in the circuit, power supply and the designers ear. The blue hawaii murders, stomps, crushes, destroys and dismembers the stock stax amps. In my opinion electrostatics are not easy to drive and they demand a top flight amp to have good bass and musicality. regards James
  16. Hi, im planning t build a blue hawaii using kgbhver6sbipolar amp boards which has constant current and the kgsshvpssicfetdual2new power supply - which does not have delayed start but I will make my own... I am trying to get a reasonably definitive answer (if any exists) on the transformer specification... the power supply board and amp baords say on the silkscreen 2x 6V 4A for the heaters, I purpose 2x 6.3V 4.5A for the transformer 18-0-18V for the low voltage I purpose 0.2A.... is thie going to be sufficent??? 2x 360V for the high voltage. It has been suggested to me that if I am going to run at +-400V DC then 330V is fine for the transformer... so I purpose 330V 0.3A is this going to be sufficent? regards and thank you james
  17. updated soft start, slightly shorter with 3 more standoffs and a vent hole for the 1n4007
  18. Thanks Kevin. Im sticking to 6.3VAC non directly heated
  19. Well spotted I didnt notice that, your amp board is slightly different from my one... I wish there was version numbers on the pcb for the amp board... my board comes from the file kgbhver6sbipolar.zip. your board has 5V ac for the heaters rather than 6.3... so I think it might be the directly heated triode version of kgbhver6sbipolar.zip which is kgbhver6sbipolardht.zip..... ugh howmanywordscantheyputonafilenamebeforeusingunderscores??? maybe this thread needs renaming to "blue_hawaii_newbees_trying_to_understand_the_different_versions"... ?
  20. Yes that is the blue hawaii amp board I plan to use. I have no checked component availability for it yet. I want to build the PSU first and have ordered all the parts fot eh psu. I have 5 psu and 5 amp boards on order from JLPCB, the boards will be black and with gold pads ? . Its too late for me to cancel the psu order so my psu will not have the cpc1117N for delayed start ? . But I plan to put a 555N and relay before the 360VAC inputs and implement delayed start that way - its the method my alpha centauri amp uses. I have updated the 1.7 psu board to have cpc1117N soft start, I did it *late* last night but have not had a chance to check it yet... Im off to rock climbing in a few minutes. You are welcome to the gerber files if you want them, if you can check them even better.... if they are correct maybe the stax mafia could add them to the archive.... (I think its only fair us dual psu people get the same functionality as the singles) ? ? ..... I also have a reverse enginer of the circuit for the amp board... again not checked.... if someone wants to check the schematics maybe the stax mafia would be interested in them too? (when I do a build I like to have circuit diagrams)... makes troubleshooting far far easier. regards James This is my reverse engineer of the amp board thuytn posted. it is NOT checked. This is the version of the Blue Hawaii Kevin Gilmore recommended I build....
  21. Thanks, I found it, v1.8 has the cpc117n the board I reverse enginerred is v1.7... There seems to be no dual rail single board version with the cpc117n v 1.7 is the latest I can find. But looking at the differences in the +400 "right board" v 1.7 and 1.8 the only differences are the cpc117n and a few component moves to fit it in. so it should not be too hard to modify the version 1.7 dual to 1.8...
  22. Thank you for the quick reply. This is a more or less direct reverse engineer of the psu pcb. I have only just completed it so there may well be errors....
  23. You may be happy with a basic stax system but the problem is that if you are not used to electrostatic sound (I also run Quad 2805 electrostatic speakers) there is a big difference in sound to most moving coils. The electrostatics offer very good transparency and speed but for me bass and overall warmth has been an issue that seems to require throwing money at to solve.... I have a stax srm006T and sr4040 which I found to be rather bright and the bass was rather mushy. As the volume is turned up the bass gets mushier but no louder and the treble just dominates. It sounds fast and detailed this way but I am very sensitive to poor bass.... I managed to buy a pair of sr007a second hand but could not afford to upgrade the srm006T. to an srm007T. The overall ballance was a bit better than the sr4040s and there was a more natural, less bright and hard sound, but the bass was still mushy and it just ran out of steam even quicker - I guess it could not drive the sr007a... I built a alpha centauri (http://www.high-amp.de/html/hybrid-amp_eng.html) earlier this year - The alpha bettered the srm00t in every way It does not run out of steam, macro and micro dynamics are better imaging is better - it was my first serious diy build and I learnt a lot from building it. I was especially grateful that the power supply has full short circuit protection on the +-400V and was extremely robust.... I managed to "measure" the +400V supply with my multimeter in resistance mode ? . Some sparking at the test probes and the 400V went into over current protection... no damage done and months later its still working fine... (the multimeter survived too - a brymen bm869s which can handle 1000V in any imode). The designer of the alpha claims that you can even short the +400 and -400 together and the psu will survive. My only issue with the alpha is that the sound stage is rather flat and has no real depth and mid and upper bass is a bit lacking. . I read reviews of the blue hawaii and the descriptions made me think it would be my kind of amp - but there was no way I was ever going to afford to buy a prebuilt.... So I’m up for building one... To summarise, from my experience the modern stax amps from Stax are not good - and they certainly do not have a good reputation online. I think they are over-priced especially given the build quality - thin bent steel. I don’t think the 6cg7 has enough drive to get the job done. The 6sn7 of the alpha is better and I am hopping the el34 of the blue hawaii will be better still... If you have the time, equipment and skills to build a diy amp I highly recommend it. You can get far better sound for far less than the commercial offerings and learn a lot in the process. regards James
  24. Hi all, Im planning to build a blue hawaiii using the version 6s bipolar amp boards (kgbhver6sbipolar.zip) and the kgsshv dual 2 new power supply, (kgsshvpssicfetdual2new.zip) Gerber files are in https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_iJFfZStuVhSE5nOHBVdTByR1k Has anyone tried this combination? will the psu provide sufficent current (the voltages are fine +-400V -+15V and 580V) Does anyone know what ratings I need for the transformer Im guessing for the secondaries 2x 6.3 5A (el34s draw about 1.5A each plus I want plenty of headroom) 2x 360V 230mA 18-0-18V 200mA Does the kgsshvpssicfetdual2new offer delayed start for the +-400V? Is it robust and have any form of short circuit protection on its outputs? Sorry to ask so many questions. I could not find circuit diagrams for the kgbhver6sbipolar or the kgsshvpssicfetdual2new.. so I have been reverse engineering from the gerber files... which is not fun and a slow process... regards James
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