dsavitsk Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Plus Audio Advisor is recommending the Cardas Clear Light Balanced XLR interconnects - also going back if they don't deliver the sonic goodness. $692 for a meter pair of XLR cables? I hope they come with $672 worth of Cardas stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Whether it is right or not, physiology universally uses significance at p<0.05. Anything just above 0.05 is usually fixed with more 'n'. I do, however, agree with morphsci's point about stating the p-value, rather than just stating that it was > or < 0.05. This, but for medicine. I think. I don't do research, but all the journal articles state the p value, and if it's p<0.05, then they'll say it's 'statistically significant'. If it's close, but no cigar, they'll say not statistically significant, but compelling, further studies indicated. And who knows how the FDA decides these things. I think they're supposed to compile enough studies that show statistical significance, but who knows what is 'enough.' Maybe it's whether the amount of money the drug company pays them is statistically significant? Based on the recommendation of our local Godfather of DACses (Dinny) - I'm going w the NAD M51. If it sucks, I'll send it back. Plus Audio Advisor is recommending the Cardas Clear Light Balanced XLR interconnects - also going back if they don't deliver the sonic goodness. Great! Let us know how it sounds! Though ... I'm not sure Dinny actually recommended it. Certainly not to a degree of statistical significance. Could be wrong, though. Could someone run an ANOVA on that? Edited February 13, 2012 by jvlgato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 If it's close, but no cigar, they'll say not statistically significant, but compelling, further studies indicated. I am a fan of 'approached statistical significance' for p=0.05-0.10, then discussing it as if it was significant anyway. * What is the status of DIY products for USB at 24/192? I was following a few projects, but got busy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruBrew Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Interesting Mike. I have decided not to go the Amarra 4 upgrade route. The problem I have with the Oppo is it does not have an SPDIF input. I just talked to Oppo about that the other day actually. Unfortunately the response was not very encouraging. Here is what they said. "The ability to use the player as an external DAC is something that has been requested over several generations of products but at this time we do not know when w may have audio or video inputs. It is hard enough trying to process the audio and video signal from a closed source, let alone from an external source were we have no control over the initial quality of the signal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I just talked to Oppo about that the other day actually. Unfortunately the response was not very encouraging. Here is what they said. "The ability to use the player as an external DAC is something that has been requested over several generations of products but at this time we do not know when w may have audio or video inputs. It is hard enough trying to process the audio and video signal from a closed source, let alone from an external source were we have no control over the initial quality of the signal." Yeah, that's pretty much a bullshit response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) ... let alone from an external source were we have no control over the initial quality of the signal." It's a wonder that any device works that takes an external input. * External digital input ? * Standards Compliant ? * Pass / Fail ? Edited February 13, 2012 by Grahame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckledragger Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Silly me. I thought "stats" was short for "electrostatic [headphones]." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelshunde Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 It's good to stick to one's knitting. If Oppo were to take on the task of enabling incoming USB 2.0 audio for the BDP-95, then they'd also have to provide Oppo H/W drivers for Windows and Mac O/S. If I'm Oppo, what's in it for me to go there? Clearly not my core competency, not my target market, and not part of my support model. However, would be great if they did go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 It's good to stick to one's knitting. If Oppo were to take on the task of enabling incoming USB 2.0 audio for the BDP-95, then they'd also have to provide Oppo H/W drivers for Windows and Mac O/S. If I'm Oppo, what's in it for me to go there? Clearly not my core competency, not my target market, and not part of my support model. However, would be great if they did go there. Nope. I was only asking for SPDIF inputs. No drivers required. If they can't do that then I'm not sure I have much confidence in their engineering team. They are definitely behind the curve on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naamanf Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) the M51 is very promising, but i wouldn't buy those stupid cables. Agreed. I do highly recommend the Dhik Limp and Twisted that cost less and promise nothing. Edited February 13, 2012 by naamanf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigmode Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Wes @ Neko Audio is getting together a new round for his loaner program--an ideal chance to expand your knowledge of what works *in* your system. I was one of those who drank the kool aid (with my wallet). According to the website the D100 MK2 does 24/192. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbasement Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I am a fan of 'approached statistical significance' for p=0.05-0.10, then discussing it as if it was significant anyway. Me too. In conservation biology you often don't get a sample size big enough to have p < 0.05, but the consequences of dismissing the results can be dire when managing threatened species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelshunde Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 the M51 is very promising, but i wouldn't buy those stupid cables. At least I'm not buying the Audioquest WEL Signatures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I am a fan of 'approached statistical significance' for p=0.05-0.10, then discussing it as if it was significant anyway. I like that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 This, but for medicine. I think. I don't do research, but all the journal articles state the p value, and if it's p<0.05, then they'll say it's 'statistically significant'. If it's close, but no cigar, they'll say not statistically significant, but compelling, further studies indicated. ... I am a fan of 'approached statistical significance' for p=0.05-0.10, then discussing it as if it was significant anyway. I prefer p = 0.0745. Then discussing its biological relevance/nonrelevance in the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelshunde Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Edited February 13, 2012 by teufelshunde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I prefer p = 0.0745. Then discussing its biological relevance/nonrelevance in the discussion. Does that p value vary according to intoxicant used, i.e. beer vs whiskey vs gin vs cocktail of choice? Or is that taken into account in one of the non-Bayesian equations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Does that p value vary according to intoxicant used, i.e. beer vs whiskey vs gin vs cocktail of choice? Or is that taken into account in one of the non-Bayesian equations? The p value is invariant. However my interpretation would likely vary, mostly by amount, not type, of alcohol consumed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 the M51 is very promising, but i wouldn't buy those stupid cables. This. I'd wager the cables are about $600 overpriced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullguise Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Cardas is a cable brand/maker I respect, have heard and liked several of the designs in the past. But yeah, not worth the money..... Once I get my M51, the trusy Vince Vaughn Audio XLR's will be back in duty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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