It's not really the treble. It's the upper midrange dip that makes them sound veiled at low to moderate volumes. This does go away at higher volumes, and in my experience people that listen at louder volume levels hear no veil (which is fine). Though I still think they're a terrible headphone having owned them twice

This does go away at higher volumes, and in my experience people that listen at louder volume levels hear no veil (which is fine).

What?

Exactly correct. Although I would have said "poorly driven," but I'm anti-semantic.

Hey screw you buddy. My jew friends are going to kick your ass.

What?

It's true. Listen at 113dB for a few weeks and you will hear no veil, guaranteed.

Can you please compare it with Pico ? both as DAC only and DAC/Amp combo?

Well I've spent a little time with both. I think most would put the Duet ahead on DAC only duty. I was surprised of the differehere. It really is more involving with a musicality that's spot on for me. Some though may prefer a more relaxed presentation (this is only in comparison - the Pico is not a laid back source). Soundstage is noticeably superior overall. Certainly wider. Details about the same and a welcomed crispness with both.

As amp duty it depends on the phone. Fluctuates between similar to Pico pulls ahead so it gets the win here overall. The Senns have been called underpowered with the Duet, but I found the sound acceptable for the occasional use I'd probably use the jack and less noticeable then other phones like the W1000, which suffers more. I haven't heard a phone sound horrible out of the Pico, but depending on the needs, the Duet can sound like it's underpowering your cans.

The Pico is a better source than the Duet a head amp, but it comes down to your use which is better overall. First, the Pico seems better constructed for portable use. Second, the Duet obviously has that A/D functionality. If you're primarily looking for a DAC and occasional amp use, I would point you to the Duet first. Need a greater balance between the two? Go Pico.

Still the Pico is an outstanding DAC for the money and an amazing combo for many phones like the Senns and W5000. I thought about giving up my wireless Squeezebox system and setting up USB repeaters throughout my apartment to use the Pico as my primary DAC at one point. It's great, but I know understand why some suggest buying a Mac solely to run a Duet and I'm likely going to be buying one soon.

Ugh. Typing during work typos. Please mentally translate through, if possible.

The calculus will probably get even harder if all you need is a DAC and the $350 amp-less Pico makes it to market.

That is a very helpful comparison, Ric, typos or no. And in any event, it's not like a mitchb post or anything, so you don't need to advertyiose it.

Thanks for the comparison again, I think I may get a Duet when the new MacBooks come up later this year.

I like my Pico, it does an excellent job, but it's smaller than I'd like. It's too tiny...

Well, Engadget got an email tonight, we'll see if they respond.

Nice, what are those RCAs?

neutrik profis have the turtleneck

neutrik mossad have been circumcized.

neutrik profis have the turtleneck

neutrik mossad have been circumcized.

Can anyone comment on the Duet compared to the DAC1 or DA-10?

neutrik profis have the turtleneck

neutrik mossad have been circumcized.

they just came out with unisex neutriks. from now on they shall be called the tranny neutriks .

Neutrik - Updates

<waits for first nate cable>

That would explain why noone can get pro-fi's.

HAHA

http://www.neutrik.com/client/neutrik/media/downloads/Media_684184039.pdf

The 'crystalized' plugs have -=her name all over it=-

HAHA

http://www.neutrik.com/client/neutrik/media/downloads/Media_684184039.pdf

The 'crystalized' plugs have -=her name all over it=-

Pfft. Show me a Swarovski D-Sub and then we're blinging.

Nice, what are those RCAs?

Vampire - they're the only man'f I've found that makes a nice looking female, cable mount RCA.

And Justin, were you talking about the ConvertCON?

I don't know, but Neutrik released a new pro-fi design. It just got a makeover, like Jacob needs.

come to ohio, and i'll remake your face with my boot-heel.

If I go to Ohio, I'm going to tow your theils back to CT with my bike.. without the use of a trailer.

I don't know, but Neutrik released a new pro-fi design.

I can't find anything on their site about that. Link? (justin's link doesn't work for me btw)

Ahh, I think I see now.

Old Pro-Fi

New Pro-Fi

The handle just looks a little different, no big deal to me, unless it's really dog-pecker pink like that.

I can't find anything on their site about that. Link? (justin's link doesn't work for me btw)

It's a large PDF that has their new lines. Justin's link didn't work for me. I emailed him 35 times to make sure he would fix it, but he never once replied. Then I called him. He said the post would be added to his waiting list. Fine I was happy to wait to get the correct link. 2 months later, he told me we was ready to change it, but I wasn't able to pay for it. Now he canceld the edit. FUCK HEADAMP and JUSTIN

Neutrik - Updates

Ahh, I think I see now.

Old Pro-Fi

New Pro-Fi

The handle just looks a little different, no big deal to me, unless it's really dog-pecker pink like that.

They have a completely different one in their product guide.