Okay, I assumed that they were getting the ban-stick or something.

Okay, I assumed that they were getting the ban-stick or something.

Nope, they finally realized that their App was terrible and that no one was using it.

There's a YouTube app?

Got an email from AT&T about their new mobile legate plans - basically uimited talk/message plans wih shared data plan. I was hoping it'll save us money, but it's still cheaper for us to keep paying a shared family talk plan with unlimited messaging and 3 separate data plans.

That's where we are, but with 4 plans.

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Edited September 12, 201213 yr by blessingx

the new dock connector is described as "all digital". if they know what they're talking about, thats the end of the analog line output.

Related: The adapter has the following disclaimer:

"Video and iPod Out not supported." If "iPod Out" means "analog" that could be another clue. Or not.

Is the new connector applied to the new iPod touch too or just the iPhone 5?

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by purk

Is the new connector applied to the new iPod touch too or just the iPhone 5?

New connector is applied across the board:

C/O arstechnica

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by Nebby

Related: The adapter has the following disclaimer:

"Video and iPod Out not supported." If "iPod Out" means "analog" that could be another clue. Or not.

i asked a cable maker about it, and while they're still looking into the details, it looks like mini-mini cables from the headphone out will be pushed

i asked a cable maker about it, and while they're still looking into the details, it looks like mini-mini cables from the headphone out will be pushed

So we can say bye to a true audio line out?

You have a true, variable line out in the headphone jack. Given that it went through an opamp either way it hardly seems to matter. I imagine we'll see more dac/amps going forward.

You have a true, variable line out in the headphone jack. Given that it went through an opamp either way it hardly seems to matter. I imagine we'll see more dac/amps going forward.

I always find a true line out to sound better than one from the headphone output. This has been the case for all portable devices with a dedicate line out.

I haven't noticed a difference on my last couple of iPhones. Perhaps it's level matching or confirmation bias?

i asked a cable maker about it, and while they're still looking into the details, it looks like mini-mini cables from the headphone out will be pushed

Headfi cable makers sweating bullets... this is pretty funny

I haven't noticed a difference on my last couple of iPhones. Perhaps it's level matching or confirmation bias?

i would agree that it's most likely the same signal. but psychologically, going from the headphone jack is a problem

i would agree that it's most likely the same signal. but psychologically, going from the headphone jack is a problem

I have not verified this on the iPhone or iPod touch but from my experience with my Sony Walkman and other MP3 players not apple, the line out always sound superior to headphone out using additional amplification.

on the later iphones/touch/nano its probably the same signal coming out of a highly integrated chip, with the digital volume control at max or set at some fixed point when using the line out

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by justin

The real question is do you have a portable amp in the work (or in the future) to take an advantage of the digital output from the new connector?

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by purk

The real question is do you have a portable amp in the work (or in the future) to take an advantage of the digital output from the new connector?

Apple makes themselves difficult to work with and I can already see things shifting to Android with plug-n-play USB DACs.

For any unlimited AT&T users, you can keep your plan with the 5 but it will be throttled after 5gb and no FaceTime over cellular.

Gah! WTF, Apple's new iPods look like cheap Chinese knock offs of their cheap Chinese products.

That Gloss white on fruity anodized aluminum looks terrible. Maybe it will look better in person.

Of course the iPhone 5 looks nice and clean. Almost too generic. But they did patent the rounded rectangle, right?

For any unlimited AT&T users, you can keep your plan with the 5 but it will be throttled after 5gb and no FaceTime over cellular.

why would someone want to be an unlimited AT&T user

on the later iphones/touch/nano its probably the same signal coming out of a highly integrated chip, with the digital volume control at max or set at some fixed point when using the line out

I can adjust the volume on my Nano using the line-out. So it could be the same as the HP out.

But you are right the psychology of it is going to do some audiophiles' heads in (I don't want to double amplify with a headphone out to amp!!)