atothex Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yeah, total marketing - And insulting to intelligence. Not only does it not show the entire range (no reason to not measure it other than to hide something), but it smashes the vertical db scale to make it look very flat. The HD800 itself is interesting to me, but Sennheisser with it's superhyped up marketing totally turns me off with how they build it up. It reminds me of a woman that I'd be interested in until she tells me how wonderful she is and how she's the best thing out there to the point where I just can't stand her. Here's where I like how Grado just releases something then shuts up. Sennheiser isn't hyping it up; we are. Between this and the F1 thing, Sennheiser's rep came out much better. I think I put this Rob guy on my ignore list at head fi some time ago. Was that unfair of me? I think so, but I've never ignored anyone before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Just for shits and giggles, I'd like to set up an A/B of a pair with a graph like Quadrangulum's against a pair with a graph like mine and see if anyone can hear any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ok lets be clear that these plots while they are marketing are not bullshit. The standard equalization for diffuse field ends somewhere around 100Hz on the low end and around 16kHz on the high end. (I can't even hear beyond 15kHz if I am listening to a pure sinusoidal signal that doesn't have any spurious harmonic content). The vetical scale is a bit large but to be honest isn't too large to figure anything out. Most people have a hard time discerning 1db changes to the equalization of an audio system so it is well within that. The only thing that annoys me is that they do not give their target curve for the diffuse field equalization (which represents a standard room) and I wish they did. Then I would know how these phones do against free-field response (anechoic chamber). I asume they are not using the IEC standard or they would say it somewhere. If you're interested both the Neumann KU100 website (in particular: http://www.neumann.com/download.php?download=docu0009.PDF) and the Head Acoustics website (in particular this document, http://www.head-acoustics.de/downloads/eng/application_notes/Equalization_brochure.pdf) have lots of good info. It looks the the SR-LAmbda is about as ideal as it gets for diffuse field response at least according to the Neumann document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Just for shits and giggles, I'd like to set up an A/B of a pair with a graph like Quadrangulum's against a pair with a graph like mine and see if anyone can hear any difference. Blind testing. Hell yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (OK, it appears that this will be my last post about anything audio-related, no one will ever take me seriously ever again, if they ever did. Thanks to everyone, good-bye. *sniff* *cry*)Are you kidding? >50% of my listening is to pop/rock. If that's any consolation, since no-one takes me seriously. Now I've got Split Enz stuck in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Just for shits and giggles, I'd like to set up an A/B of a pair with a graph like Quadrangulum's against a pair with a graph like mine and see if anyone can hear any difference. I believe that we will have an opportunity soon to at least audition the HD800s with some decent amplification, too bad there won't be 2 pairs there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I believe that we will have an opportunity soon to at least audition the HD800s with some decent amplification, too bad there won't be 2 pairs there. Yeah. We'll figure out a way to make it happen sometime in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yeah. We'll figure out a way to make it happen sometime in the future. Well it's supposed to be an electrostat showdown but there are at least 2 pairs of HD800s available for the micro mini meet at my house this weekend (if everyone shows up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robm321 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ok lets be clear that these plots while they are marketing are not bullshit. The standard equalization for diffuse field ends somewhere around 100Hz on the low end and around 16kHz on the high end. (I can't even hear beyond 15kHz if I am listening to a pure sinusoidal signal that doesn't have any spurious harmonic content). The vetical scale is a bit large but to be honest isn't too large to figure anything out. Most people have a hard time discerning 1db changes to the equalization of an audio system so it is well within that. The only thing that annoys me is that they do not give their target curve for the diffuse field equalization (which represents a standard room) and I wish they did. Then I would know how these phones do against free-field response (anechoic chamber). I asume they are not using the IEC standard or they would say it somewhere. If you're interested both the Neumann KU100 website (in particular: http://www.neumann.com/download.php?download=docu0009.PDF) and the Head Acoustics website (in particular this document, http://www.head-acoustics.de/downloads/eng/application_notes/Equalization_brochure.pdf) have lots of good info. It looks the the SR-LAmbda is about as ideal as it gets for diffuse field response at least according to the Neumann document. Thanks for the info! I enjoyed reading it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well it's supposed to be an electrostat showdown but there are at least 2 pairs of HD800s available for the micro mini meet at my house this weekend (if everyone shows up). Ok. Well the other pair that I know of should come (the owner is coming though I haven't confirmed if he will bring them). We can even plug them both at the same time into the GS-X and off we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 By early August, I will have a proper HD 800 rig and a proper O2 rig and will test extensively. I will also be able to rotate in 37 DACs for comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 only 37? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 You'll need moar Skipjacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 You'll need moar Skipjacks! Not to mention this little guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Now we know what 42 meant. It's the number of DACs that Dinny will own at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 By early August, I will have a proper HD 800 rig and a proper O2 rig and will test extensively. I will also be able to rotate in 37 DACs for comparison. I has this now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well yes, but Dinny's B22 doesn't have "Fuck You" scratched into the top of the case with a #4 Torx screwdriver. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I has this now How is the KGSS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) How is the KGSS? It sounds great and works well with my O2 and ESP950. I have to give it a proper listen etc but I'm pretty happy. It will be a fun month or so until I make up my mind. Haven't done any comparisons with the HD800s/GS-X as yet. Edited July 21, 2009 by Dreadhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well yes, but Dinny's B22 doesn't have "Fuck You" scratched into the top of the case with a #4 Torx screwdriver. Who's the lucky bugger with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diebenkorn Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well yes, but Dinny's B22 doesn't have "Fuck You" scratched into the top of the case with a #4 Torx screwdriver. Yet. why did Mikhail never think of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 It sounds great and works well with my O2 and ESP950. I have to give it a proper listen etc but I'm pretty happy. It will be a fun month or so until I make up my mind. Haven't done any comparisons with the HD800s/GS-X as yet. I am interested in measurements of the ESP950 on the KGSS vs E90. To see if there is a measurable difference. Don't worry I'm not doubting the KGSS sounds much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadphoneAddict Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 How is the KGSS? It sounds great and works well with my O2 and ESP950. I have to give it a proper listen etc but I'm pretty happy. It will be a fun month or so until I make up my mind. Haven't done any comparisons with the HD800s/GS-X as yet. So, would you recommend a person with a maxed GES to add a KGSS to it and have two different flavors, or get rid of the GES and get a KGBHSE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 why did Mikhail never think of that? That would be unprofessional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 That would be unprofessional. Also, he'd pass out before completing the second word. Then turn around and charge $730 for the "Fuck Yo" upgrade -- which makes it sound way better for rap music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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