kelvinz Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Kelvin you young slacker, welcome to asshats (not so) anonymous. Did we meet at the issaquah meet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I can tell I'm going to like this place already: http://www.head-case.org/forums/headphones/5189-does-anyone-try-la5000-la7000.html I learned all about modifying factory items with Cars... Rarely do individuals know more than multi-million dollar company which hires experts to produce a high quality product and any improvements generally come with some sort of detriment to the total body of the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomana Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi, Kelvinz. Welcome. I don't have any advice to give you now, but if I start giving you advice, you can probably take it as a bad sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Rarely do individuals know more than multi-million dollar company which hires experts to produce a high quality product and any improvements generally come with some sort of detriment to the total body of the product. yeah, because multi-million dolllar companies always hire the brightest and best talent they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I learned all about modifying factory items with Cars... Rarely do individuals know more than multi-million dollar company which hires experts to produce a high quality product and any improvements generally come with some sort of detriment to the total body of the product. Misstep #1. Careful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Misstep #1. Careful... haha I see how it is I'll keep my deep personal opinions to myself until we can have spirited discussion over a few beers at a local meet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 have personal opinions. Be prepared to defend them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 have personal opinions. Be prepared to defend them And without being a fuckstick in the process. Hang out, read stuff, participate, don't suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 too bad guys I'm a huge retard Can't wait to get my nugget audio B22 on Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogabooga Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Hope you get it on Friday - I hate waiting for post-office weekends... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 haha I see how it is I'll keep my deep personal opinions to myself until we can have spirited discussion over a few beers at a local meet ... and the best and brightest always want to work for multi-million dollar companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwood Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Also take into account that certain design features in many products are simply for user-friendliness, or to cover the producer's ass in case of warranty claims. Knowledgeable and competent individuals don't need these systems, and sometimes removing them makes sense. Input coupling caps jump to mind as a prominent example. If your source is well-designed enough not to throw off huge DC offset, or if you are careful to make sure your gear is biased properly, you usually don't need input coupling caps, and you get sonic benefits from removing them. I didn't learn any of this until I came to HC. I just knew that "moar blackgates = better". I'm sure there are plenty more wonderful little factoids that luvdunhill will caustically slide my way as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 You would be surprised at how much stuff is really just designed from the datasheet examples. These are often wrong. Remember it isn't usually a design engineer doing the datasheet work, and even for new parts, the examples may be retreads from decades ago. Also, the reasons that things are done a certain way in commercial gear may have nothing to with sound quality or other aspects that you would think would have been accounted for. For example, that transformer on an SPDIF output may be there more to meet FCC part 15 testing rather than its suitability as a pulse transformer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 yes and no. products are always built to a price point, even top of the line ones, and even big companies make mistakes in their designs, some times even obvious in hindsight mistakes. while i agree that often times certain, maybe even most, mods don't make a great deal of sense (in cars, audio, or anything else), knowledgeable individuals are often able to recognize areas where improvement is possible, even in well designed products. it's also significantly easier and cheaper for individual items to be improved than for a large company to change a design and produce it in volume, even if the mods seem cost effective on a one off basis. I absolutely agree most products are built to a price point, but in general the cars I've bought were built to do one task or another well. Throwing money at it to make it more "sporty" or "luxurious" generally meant that you were making some sort of inverse trade off. However I am a sucker for a product built from the ground up to do a specific task, which is why I have been eyeing the B22 since I had a chance to audition Socrates' Nugget back in late 07/early 08. My real doubt is regarding the Markl mods. His mods seem to be such pardon the jargon "low hanging fruit" that if they truly enhance the headphone in all aspects it's hard to beleive that wouldn't have done something similar in their flagship headphone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Also take into account that certain design features in many products are simply for user-friendliness, or to cover the producer's ass in case of warranty claims. Knowledgeable and competent individuals don't need these systems, and sometimes removing them makes sense. Input coupling caps jump to mind as a prominent example. If your source is well-designed enough not to throw off huge DC offset, or if you are careful to make sure your gear is biased properly, you usually don't need input coupling caps, and you get sonic benefits from removing them. I didn't learn any of this until I came to HC. I just knew that "moar blackgates = better". I'm sure there are plenty more wonderful little factoids that luvdunhill will caustically slide my way as time goes on. I definitely have much to learn! I only know blackgates are expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinz Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 You would be surprised at how much stuff is really just designed from the datasheet examples. These are often wrong. Remember it isn't usually a design engineer doing the datasheet work, and even for new parts, the examples may be retreads from decades ago. Also, the reasons that things are done a certain way in commercial gear may have nothing to with sound quality or other aspects that you would think would have been accounted for. For example, that transformer on an SPDIF output may be there more to meet FCC part 15 testing rather than its suitability as a pulse transformer. When you say datasheet examples are you implying that most companies just take an old design and slap newer/more expensive components on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerius Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 When you say datasheet examples are you implying that most companies just take an old design and slap newer/more expensive components on? You'd be surprised by the number of companies that are doing that. Or for instance, copying the chip manufacturer's circuit application example right off the datasheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 When you say datasheet examples are you implying that most companies just take an old design and slap newer/more expensive components on?And sometimes they don't even slap newer/more expensive components on, in addition to what aerius said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 And sometimes they don't even get that circuit entirely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postjack Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 and sometimes 1 + 1 = 3 and teenagers have a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 pew pew pew HOT SHIT. What tube does that use?!@$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I am new "here" as well. Is there a post minimum before I can wear my ? I hope not, cause its just collecting dust in my closet, next to my mega-size sombrero. Oh yeah, and since joining my HC my personal S/N ratio has decreased and my hearing has improved. I can hear a butterflies wings from a mile away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeggy Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hrmmm nope, why wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 My is firmly planted on my.... is it the chicken or the egg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbasement Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Hey y'all, I'm also new here after 2 years on head-fi. I'm too poor and live in too remote a location to have much experience with different cans and amps, and this looks like a good place to advance my learning and toss some bull around as well. Upon first glance, I notice there aren't nearly enough relationship advice threads - what's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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