^^ In the same boat Miguel. Gazelle will take $35 for my crap 3GS, which honestly is better than I expected. 16GB 3GS' are still going for over $100 on eBay but I really don't want to deal with any bullshit.

I'll probably order a 16GB in white.

Yeah, that's what I was hoping, I saw tonight the Apple Store description is updated "

This adapter lets you connect devices with a Lightning connector to many of your 30-pin accessories.* Support for analog audio output, USB audio, as well as syncing and charging. Video output not supported."

PS: Ordered a pair of iPhone 5 right when sales started at 1:02AM - it went much smoother than any of the previous years.

Just FYI, the official HC records will indicate that I got mine before you because I said "First" first.

http://gizmodo.com/5943072/after-iphone-5-the-only-small-phones-left-are-all-horrible?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

tend to agree?...

I agree that by-in-large the current crop of non-iPhone small phones suck. The exception is perhaps the Droid Incredible II which is not significantly larger than an iPhone and easily handled by those with smaller hands (including my wife). I also tend to agree that there's little to no need for phones to have gotten as big as they have. My Galaxy S III is pretty huge, but tolerable and will probably only feel more at home in my hands over time. But I could have lived with the same type of design (little to no side bezel) with a smaller screen (say 4.5") and that might have been just about perfect.

I disagree that the current iPhones (4S and 5) have a sufficiently large screen. Browsing the web in landscape on these phones is awful. Again, that's just my opinion. I also think they could have easily lived with a slightly lower dpi and simply stretched the dimensions and ended up with a great product. But I understand the flip side of that coin and why they didn't. I also still don't care for the way that Apple handles notifications, apps and the lack of customization. I think there are easy ways this could be improved upon and the longer they ignore it the more stupidly stubborn they look. And yes, I freely admit that they're making money hand over fist while I think they look stupid.

I have big hands and the iPhone 4 which I've had for over a year is too small. Its eye torture, so I like the current trend. I understand those with smaller hands might not appreciate it as much.

I also still don't care for the way that Apple handles notifications, apps and the lack of customization. I think there are easy ways this could be improved upon and the longer they ignore it the more stupidly stubborn they look. And yes, I freely admit that they're making money hand over fist while I think they look stupid.

besides the screen size, i wonder how many of these other changes/features dont come because of patent issues

Read from the other site and the lighting adapter will support analog output. So the cable makers breath a huge sign of relief.

Just FYI, the official HC records will indicate that I got mine before you because I said "First" first.

My post came in 1 minute before yours, and my three edit's at 1,3 and 6 minutes later to talk about modding the Lightning adapter doesn't invalidate that.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it

^^ In the same boat Miguel. Gazelle will take $35 for my crap 3GS, which honestly is better than I expected. 16GB 3GS' are still going for over $100 on eBay but I really don't want to deal with any bullshit.

Bryan, eBay Instant Sale (which works similar to Gazelle) will give you $110 for a 3GS, even without a charger.

http://instantsale.ebay.com/offer/apple-iphone-3gs-16gb/22303/

Why would autocorrect add an apostrophe to "edits" in my post above?

Anyways... is the AT&T "5 unlocks limit" set at 5 a year, or 5 in a lifetime?

I sold a friend a jailbroken 3GS with software unlock a few months ago, and her kid recently updated the phone and killed the unlock so she can't use it on T-mobile anymore. I've been given conflicting info about this from people at AT&T store, and if it's 5 a year then I'll see if I can get the phone unlocked on my side. Otherwise, if it's lifetime then I've already used up 2 unlocks since May and don't want to use up more unless it's for my own phone.

I've also read that people without an AT&T account can call AT&T and have them look up to see that the phone is out of contract, and then get it unlocked without being a customer. Is that true? Nobody who should know seems to know for sure.

Edited September 14, 201213 yr by HeadphoneAddict

Why would autocorrect add an apostrophe to "edits" in my post above?

Anyways... is the AT&T "5 unlocks limit" set at 5 a year, or 5 in a lifetime?

I sold a friend a jailbroken 3GS with software unlock a few months ago, and her kid recently updated the phone and killed the unlock so she can't use it on T-mobile anymore. I've been given conflicting info about this from people at AT&T store, and if it's 5 a year then I'll see if I can get the phone unlocked on my side. Otherwise, if it's lifetime then I've already used up 2 unlocks since May and don't want to use up more unless it's for my own phone.

I've also read that people without an AT&T account can call AT&T and have them look up to see that the phone is out of contract, and then get it unlocked without being a customer. Is that true? Nobody who should know seems to know for sure.

Google is my friend - https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/client/en_GB/

This says 5 unlocks per account "per year" if account is good standing, or 5 unlocks per account total if the account is no longer active and no ETF or balance is due. So the answer was both.

Bryan, eBay Instant Sale (which works similar to Gazelle) will give you $110 for a 3GS, even without a charger.

http://instantsale.e...3gs-16gb/22303/

Had no idea this existed. Thanks very much Raffy, this might be the better option .

So what's the ratio, now, 16:9 or 2.35:1? My problem is that it's getting too big for my pockets -- those who are getting the 5 must have deeper pockets than I (double-meaning intended).

Based on what I've heard, 16x9 near enough as not to matter.

Previous aspect ratio was 960x640 (3:2)

New = 1136x640 (71x40 or very nearly 16:9)

Had no idea this existed. Thanks very much Raffy, this might be the better option .

when does the phone have to be sent in w/ instant sale?

Based on what I've heard, 16x9 near enough as not to matter.

Previous aspect ratio was 960x640 (3:2)

New = 1136x640 (71x40 or very nearly 16:9)

Okay, so the next one is going to be 2.35.

1136/639 = 16:9

damn that extra pixel. do i get to choose if i want my black bar on top or on the bottom?

Had no idea this existed. Thanks very much Raffy, this might be the better option .

Me either, and their offer was way better than Gazelle's for a 32 GB iPhone 4.

Me either, and their offer was way better than Gazelle's for a 32 GB iPhone 4.

Step 1: setup business offering to buy iphones

Step 2: buy a million iphones for $50 less than eBay's offering

Step 3: profit!

Now I know what i in iPhone stands for. Indiana.

Instant sale offered $235 for our 32GB iPhone 4, but this one was unlocked by AT&T in July. So I'll probably try to sell it myself on eBay for more, especially since Apple is selling an 8GB unlocked iPhone 4 for $450 !!! Ours was replaced 2 months ago due to a dead home button, so it's got a fresh battery and everything.

Edited September 14, 201213 yr by HeadphoneAddict

Step 1: setup business offering to buy iphones

Step 2: buy a million iphones for $50 less than eBay's offering

Step 3: profit!

Yep. And for lazy fucks like me, it's a valuable service.

I just upgraded to an iPhone4 from Satan (at&t) a week ago. Guess I'll return it and get a 4S for the same price. Don't really need the 5... I'll let all you early adapters work that one out

Edited September 15, 201213 yr by Pars

Bryan, eBay Instant Sale (which works similar to Gazelle) will give you $110 for a 3GS, even without a charger.

http://instantsale.e...3gs-16gb/22303/

Thanks for the link Raffy, now the decision is much easier.

Glad to help, I myself might use that site soon.