tyrion Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 This is pretty much the first time I've had a chance to spend any quality time with the Pico DAC prototype that Justin was kind enough to send me since I've been out of town all weekend. My system in transition at the moment so I only have the Duet as my headphone amp and won't have me monoblock back for my speaker rig until Wednesday. At the moment I'm using the mini out of the Pico for my 650's with the Pico connected usb to my Mac Mini. I'm using the volume control of itunes to control the Pico. I realize this isn't the optimum set up but it's the best I can do until later in the week when my speaker rig is back in action. I have to say that Pico sounds great. I switch between it and the Duet, switching between the two dacs in system preferences and the Pico is every bit as good as the Duet and perhaps a bit better in detail retrieval. This is just preliminary and I will do a lot more listening but I am pretty impressed with the sq so far. Especially considering that it's using the volume control of the Mac Mini without an external amplifier. That is it for the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessingx Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Great. Looking forward to your impressions. Do you happen to have a non-DAC-only Pico (nDoP) to compare also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Great. Looking forward to your impressions. Do you happen to have a non-DAC-only Pico (nDoP) to compare also? Nope. That will have to wait until November 15 at the Tampa Meet assuming Justin let's me hold onto it for that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Peanuts Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 And I just got a Duet, too. Maybe I'll just get one (Pico DAC) when it goes in production to do a three-way comp with 840c and Duet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 And I just got a Duet, too. Maybe I'll just get one (Pico DAC) when it goes in production to do a three-way comp with 840c and Duet. Nothing wrong with the Duet and it's too early to declare a winner between the Pico and Duet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I wonder if said prototype could make it down to Houston on Oct. 25th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Thanks for your thoughts Mike, looking forward to hearing more about this new unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminette Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I should be up and running with at least my speaker rig tomorrow so I will try to get some more impressions in the next couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 This Thread Is Useless Without A Real Amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenso Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I can't wait to read the impressions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Here is the Pico in my temporary stat rig: I'm still unable to compare to the Duet in this setup but the Pico is definitely not disappointing. I wish I had a decent cdp here to compare it to. I guess that will have to wait for the Tampa Meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penger Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 And just when I was gonna ask if it looked any different from the regular pico, you go and post some pictures. Thanks! Any details you can offer about the prototype? I see it outputs RCA, what about input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 input is usb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penger Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Ah, that's what I would have guessed. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 I have my speaker rig up and running. The Duet's output is higher than the Pico so using a sound level meter I and a Cardas Burn In Sweep I was able to volume match by lower the output of the Duet. I've spent about the last hours listening to about 4 or 5 tunes over and over again. They include Alison Krauss Let Me Touch You For A While, Lucky One. Miles Davis So What. Albert King/SRV Call It Stormy Monday, Pride and Joy. My preliminary conclusion is that those of us that own Duets are going to have a tough time deciding whether one is better than the other. I haven't picked out any real differences between the two but it's only been an hour. I would find it difficult to believe that anyone that owns a Duet would walk away from a comparison saying the Duet is the better dac. They both do everything so well, especially keeping my toes tapping. I have more listening to do and maybe my opinion will change over time as I get used to the Pico but for now, my hats off to Justin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crappyjones123 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 pico wins. because you can use it with pc's. duet = epic fail. because you can only use it with macs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Peanuts Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 pico wins. because you can use it with pc's. duet = epic fail. because you can only use it with macs. Perhaps, but Duet also works as an ADC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 duet = epic fail. because you can only use it with macs. Don't get all uppity just cause you picked a crappy laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Don't get all uppity just cause you picked a crappy laptop. I don't care much about PC vs Mac, but it would be great if they would do another commercial based on that emoticon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Don't get all uppity just cause you picked a crappy laptop. I don't care much about PC vs Mac, but it would be great if they would do another commercial based on that emoticon. Excellent idea Ken, glad to see my favorite emoticon is finally getting some respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 The amp that was just returned and died again. I'm sending both monos back. He's going to build a new amp for me to replace the one that went bad and upgrade the other. I hope to have a replacement while they are gone so I can continue to evaluate the Pico. Having heard the SRD-7 mkii now for a few hours, I hope the KGSS DX is as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckledragger Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Jonathan Hodgman kicking Justin Long in the balls would make for the best commercial evar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 The amp that was just returned and died again. I'm sending both monos back. He's going to build a new amp for me to replace the one that went bad and upgrade the other. I hope to have a replacement while they are gone so I can continue to evaluate the Pico. Having heard the SRD-7 mkii now for a few hours, I hope the KGSS DX is as good. What the fuck, Mike. Did you buy those things new? Sorry for the hassle but it is big of you to stick with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 What the fuck, Mike. Did you buy those things new? Sorry for the hassle but it is big of you to stick with them. They were new. I've had them for 5 months and this was the first issue. He apologized and said he should have ran it longer before sending it back. The turnaround was just under 2 weeks, considering some others, that's not too bad. He is a good guy...so far. I am picking up an amp from Oz this afternoon so I am good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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