jvlgato Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Required class for those double majoring in Psychology and English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 psychosemantics sounds like a great college class. Heh. I'm pretty sure I took that at Vassar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 How about sending them to me to mod/tinker with, Ric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emelius Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 better ask MarkL...he's obviously the authority here & it's readily obvious that your LCD-2 need ~$400 worth of memory foam & exotic balsa wood... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessingx Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 A 02? An O2? In the minority in that I haven't been much of a fan most of the rigs I've heard. I reported this in my first impressions, so yeah, it's there in the background. You ever get over it? Right now it's really irritating. Like run back to a HD800 irritating. I may try an exotic salsa mod first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadphoneAddict Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 A 02? An O2? In the minority in that I haven't been much of a fan most of the rigs I've heard. You ever get over it? Right now it's really irritating. Like run back to a HD800 irritating. I may try an exotic salsa mod first. You do start to get used to it over time, and it's better with some gear than others - like worse with my WA6 and better with my DACmini, or worse with my Apogee mini-DAC as source and better with my CDP-8 as source. It's easiest to hear with classical and piano music for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 A few days ago I was PMing with someone over on the other site on the LCD2s, and he mentioned a 'resonance/reverb' issue with them that got in the way of his enjoyment. ....... Everyone (including myself) says these are slightly warm, organic sounding cans, but is that at least partially because of a exaggerated resonance-like issue often present? Or am I crazy? You're crazy ... but you still may be right. I came across this in measuring: It appears that the LCD-2 is storing a little energy, and releasing is some 400uSec later. The second bump on the 300Hz square wave, and the little lump of wiggle after the spike on the impulse response may indicate what you guys are talking about. 400uSec is not a long time, but it is about the timescale of the inter-aural time difference between ears with a 30 degree off axis speaker, so it's right at about the timescales that are used for localization, and I would expect your brain is able to make something of the artifact. Whether this is the source of the "reverby" sound, I don't know, but it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 psychosemantics sounds like a great college class. Or a post-punk band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessingx Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) You semantic psychos. Tyll, that's pretty interesting. Not sure how often it's been discussed (HPA I missed your impressions), but rhythmdevils deserves credit for bringing it to my attention... and ruining my pleasure. Once it's clearly heard it's kinda hard to get it out of ones minds eyes ears. Edited April 12, 2011 by blessingx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 That wouldn't be the first headphone accused of having a "reverb-y" effect -- I want to say the W2002? And there was another one, but I'm not remembering...I think Juan may have been one of the people to have heard it -- Juan (if you're reading this) -- do you remember of what I speak? Me, personally, never heard it, even on the headphones in question. I guess, having spent much time with Alesis Quadraverbs and other reverbs, I tend to gloss over them, and am able to hear the underlying source music. It's an interesting exercise -- to listen to the same thing through a variety of different reverbs, and then "dry" -- it gives your mind the information it needs to perform the subtraction, as it were. Which is funny, because I think I'm much more sensitive to phase smearing. Hey, Tyll -- where is the energy being stored, in the driver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3cT Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Isn't a reverb the sign of the driver being under-amped? Or is it the other way round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Hey, Tyll -- where is the energy being stored, in the driver? Totally fucking guessing here, but I think it's air being over-compressed between the driver and the fabric coverings. Edited April 12, 2011 by Tyll Hertsens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD44hi Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 That wouldn't be the first headphone accused of having a "reverb-y" effect -- I want to say the W2002? And there was another one, but I'm not remembering...I think Juan may have been one of the people to have heard it -- Juan (if you're reading this) -- do you remember of what I speak? Indeed the W2002 have been implicated, some say the qualias and believe it or not, the etys also reverb, which really surprised me. The ergo2 has some traces as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catscratch Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 K340 also had pretty bad reverb issues. Very echoey and colored sound in general. Not that I mind, it's still one of my favorite headphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessingx Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Indeed the W2002 have been implicated, some say the qualias and believe it or not, the etys also reverb, which really surprised me. The ergo2 has some traces as well. Etys are surprising. Their decay is so quick you'd think it would be noticeable there. Edited April 12, 2011 by blessingx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I've noticed the Etys have quite a bit of harmonic distortion. It could be that; I'll look into it at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavitsk Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Some people argue that the perceived big sound of DHTs is basically reverb from the DH filaments. Any correlation between people who like the LCD2 and people who like 300b/2a3/307a/etc headphone amps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnotis Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) I’m sorry the LCD2s have been ruined for you Blessingx. You’ve still got the JH-13s though. Even without considering this reflection problem, they’re essentially as good. I wonder if the driver speed of the LCD-2s makes this more of a problem than it would be on a dynamic coil set? Even the HD-800s depict a much rounder looking square wave. Would a similar reflection be as clearly defined, and audible? Have you tried taking off the grills? Edit - Just to be clear, I can't hear the effect myself. Edited April 14, 2011 by nnotis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limp Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I've noticed the Etys have quite a bit of harmonic distortion. It could be that; I'll look into it at some point. Oh, I'd love an in depth analysis of the ER/HFs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBel84 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Tyll, totally bloody awesome is all I can say. and I suspect know where it is coming from, it was part of the design trick to squeeze more efficiency out of them. I initially had serious doubts about the working theory as the LCD1 does not do this but the bass response is partly attributed to this layout. I can't say I heard this reverb, I didn't, but when people started to speak of it, I wondered where it might be coming from other than the pschosemantocaustic (not a typo) effect..dB edit - taking the grills off will not change this Edited April 14, 2011 by dBel84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faust3d Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Tyll, totally bloody awesome is all I can say. and I suspect know where it is coming from, it was part of the design trick to squeeze more efficiency out of them. I initially had serious doubts about the working theory as the LCD1 does not do this but the bass response is partly attributed to this layout. I can't say I heard this reverb, I didn't, but when people started to speak of it, I wondered where it might be coming from other than the pschosemantocaustic (not a typo) effect..dB edit - taking the grills off will not change this do go on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I've had my LCD-2's for several weeks and right now they rank in my top 3 all-time favorite phones - right alongside the O2 and L3K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recstar24 Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Good to hear. Jvlgato's whorey set is definitely being enjoyed in Illinois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 ... whorey ...You know, sometimes "whorey" is just what the doctor ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhjazz Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 You're crazy ... but you still may be right. I came across this in measuring: Tyll this is outstanding. Thanks for measuring and posting your results. I listened to these last year on some unfamiliar gear and didn't notice the issue. I suppose I should borrow a pair and try them out again with this info in mind. Now that I know, it'll probably stand out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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