The Monkey Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Having been out of the game for a while, the rapid development of DAC tech (or at least the verbiage dedicated to same) appears to have accelerated even more. I'd appreciate it if you fine folks could catch me up as to where we stand. What is the latest and greatest tech? What are some of the basic must-haves in a DAC today? Which chipses tend to sound best? And, most importantly, which ones have the prettiest lights? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellylh Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I would definitely try to find a used NAD M51. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledzepp Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I'm paying close attention to the Soekris based R2R DACs. They just announced a bunch of them. See left side column. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 dac1541 is going to be the giant killer. r2r,sign/magnitude, fully balanced, and dsd for a price that is less than half of a yggy 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 hours ago, swt61 said: ...well, you certainly got it plug'ed in number two ... 27 minutes ago, kevin gilmore said: dac1541 is going to be the giant killer. r2r,sign/magnitude, fully balanced, and dsd for a price that is less than half of a yggy how's the mafia DAC comming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3x0 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Based on the precedent of "progress" established by the likes of the Holo Spring and AGD Singularity 19, I'm not hopeful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubliss Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, kevin gilmore said: dac1541 is going to be the giant killer. r2r,sign/magnitude, fully balanced, and dsd for a price that is less than half of a yggy what does sign/magnitude mean, i googled without much success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, sorenb said: ...well, you certainly got it plug'ed in number two ... I have much experience pluggin' #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 hours ago, kevin gilmore said: dac1541 is going to be the giant killer. r2r,sign/magnitude, fully balanced, and dsd for a price that is less than half of a yggy Interesting. As a fan of the Electrocompaniet ECD-1, I've always been partial to that unmistakable Scandinavian sound signature. 6 hours ago, shellylh said: I would definitely try to find a used NAD M51. Heh, right you are! I should just get whatever DAC you had 3 years ago. You and I have always liked the same gear. Great minds and such... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbelyo Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 6 hours ago, swt61 said: Brings me back to the 70's riding in my step mom's Charger with the 8 track playing Dark side of the moon. I miss that car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 The state of DACSES is good. They should be sentient within 2 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 The loaner Matrix X-Sabre Pro for the Atlanta Meet is quite good sounding too. They did a much better job compared to the original ESS9018 X-Sabre DAC. Definitely prefer it to the M51 and Oppo 105 that I used to have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, blubliss said: what does sign/magnitude mean, i googled without much success. See page 6 below. PCM1704.pdf Edited May 5, 2017 by Hopstretch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 9 hours ago, sbelyo said: Brings me back to the 70's riding in my step mom's Charger with the 8 track playing Dark side of the moon. I miss that car A big memory of mine was driving my '72 Duster. I'd just bought Rod Stewart's "A Night on the Town" 8 track, and I was astonished to find a song about a gay guy. It was of course "The Killing of Georgie", and I must have played it back to back 20 times that night. As bad as the 8 track sounded, most younger people don't understand what a revolution it was to control what music you listened to in your car. Very similar to the Walkman in terms of breakthroughs. 16 hours ago, The Monkey said: Having been out of the game for a while, the rapid development of DAC tech (or at least the verbiage dedicated to same) appears to have accelerated even more. I'd appreciate it if you fine folks could catch me up as to where we stand. What is the latest and greatest tech? What are some of the basic must-haves in a DAC today? Which chipses tend to sound best? And, most importantly, which ones have the prettiest lights? In the same vein, I'd be interested to know about streaming music. Are there large libraries of music one can subscribe to, and play what they want? Kind of like a giant Netflix for music? Or do you still have to purchase your own library. Obviously Hi Rez options are preferred. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdipisReks1 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Tidal (I know Shelly is a fan of that one). I don't know if any are high-resolution, but Tidal is lossless, I believe. Edited May 5, 2017 by EdipisReks1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitigir Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) I have Amazon Music, but they only offer MP3 damn it. Btw, is there such thing as DAC with R2R and Tube stages ? Edited May 5, 2017 by Whitigir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLA Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) If you have (or can get hold of) a british IP-address when signing up: http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/plans/music-streaming-subscription Great for jazz and classical. Edited May 5, 2017 by MLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joehpj Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 38 minutes ago, Whitigir said: Btw, is there such thing as DAC with R2R and Tube stages ? Lampizator......... Errr....no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanDragon Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Steve, I have a family membership with Tidal which lets people after the first get a discount. PM me if you want to talk about it. Tidal does "Masters" which are MQA, and have been determined to be, at least in some/many cases, the same tracks as one of the hi-fi download shops. @TMoney, you were telling me that, right? **BRENT** 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Steve, this may be relevant https://gizmodo.com/streaming-music-services-from-most-screwed-to-least-sc-1793612699 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I have Amazon Music, but they only offer MP3 [emoji20] damn it. Btw, is there such thing as DAC with R2R and Tube stages ?Someone with more knowledge than I please correct me, but for a current-out DAC, tubes aren't a good choice for an I/V converter as these expect very low input impedance (0 ohms, i.e. dead short preferably). Most of the tube stages you see are resistor I/V with the tube stage just being a buffer and maybe some gain. The SRPP tube stages that are bandied about are a very poor choice, but Doug or Kevin could give better advice.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 so i have a big problem with the morons that charge stupid money to add a tube buffer to a solid state output stage. modwright instruments, and lampizator for example. you start with something that has a 200 ohm output impedance, and by the time you are done with the cathode follower, its a 1.5 k output impedance, or in the case of the lampizator something like a 3k or more output impedance. its stupid and counterproductive. but hey there are these glowing things sticking out the top. you can't make a decent i/v converter with tubes without 6 triodes per channel. and even then, solid state is far better. r2r is a voltage output anyway, not a current output 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavitsk Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 ---------^ That. Tubes are excellent as voltage amplifiers, but they are high impedance devices. For a medium amount of gain, they are about the most linear option available. But a DAC doesn't need the gain, and the impedance is a hindrance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 It seems that most who want a tube output DAC are not looking for the most linear stage they can get, but instead are looking for the "tube sound" in an attempt to quell the digital nasties Kevin: I guess I hadn't looked closely at soekeris (sp?) and other more recent r2r DACS to note that they are V out. Older r2r DAC chips (TDA1541A, PCM63, etc. were usually I out. The 1541 seems to be a frequent target for lampizator, etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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